Which is total bullshit. Yes the 17 pounder is a strong gun. Yet the Panthers gun is comparable.
Well it is comparable, the KwK 42 wasn't anything to scoff at, but neither is the 17 Pounder. |
How different is the Firefly with Ez-8s?
Firefly is kinda like if a Sherman was given the Jackson's gun. |
Cya back in a day!
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Firstly, we'll call that shot. Secondly, why not simmer down when discussing things and try to be polite for a change?
He often insults people, but this is the post that goes too far? |
Make barrage more accurate but make it fire only one round, reduce cooldown. Skillshot.
Uh, instant long range 'rifle grenade' is the reason they removed Precision Strike in the first place. |
Oh and I heard that the SU-85 was actually a stopgap before the SU-100 was built. Despite this, it had a really good war record.
The SU-85 was made because they couldn't fit the 85mm gun onto the T-34 or KV-1, so the ISU-122 chassis was used instead. When they did get the 85mm gun onto the T-34, there was no good reason to continue production of the SU-85. SU-85 production was halted and production of the SU-100 was commenced in 1944. |
I don't think the issue is "handling it" (although it does highlight how shitty it is Ost has no 60 range TD) but rather than it's killed Soviet T4. It's simply to cost efficient comparatively. It got tripled buffed, it comes earlier, it has double the pen it used to, and it got more health.
That's a problem with T4 then. The T-34/76 has little shock value, and the SU-85 doesn't do a much better job than the SU-76. |
Relic has a very, very huge history of over buffing units. See: The M5 Quadmount.
And the SU-76 isn't overbuffed, it's just nobody knows how to handle it because it's been dead for a year. |
Jumbo a heavy tank? What some people may write....
It's not a Heavy Tank, but it was used like one. |
A vehicle with great AI like the Ostwind has no AT capability.
A TD like SU-85 has great AT but no AI capability.
A generalist like a PIV has medium AI and medium AT capability.
So why does the SU-76 have great AT but also come with a free AI barrage? There should be a trade-off.
Why does an AT Tank like the Panther have AI MG 42's? Why does a TD like the M10 have Infantry Crush? Why does a reconnaissance light tank like the Valentine have a 75mm gun?
I suspect part of the reason that barrage feels too good now is that we're all so used to the SU-76 being practically an auto-lose option for the player building it. Personally, I have lost tanks, units, and perhaps also entire games by forgetting that SU-76s are no longer a noob trap unit. In past game versions, I would see 3 SU-76s approaching and then just laugh manically and effortlessly kill them all with one P4.
Now that they can take on Tigers and Panthers, it's weird, but I think it helps to remember that an SU-76 horde is a major investment. Four of them cost 300 fuel - that's even more than a Tiger or an Elefant, while also being profoundly more difficult to micro than one super heavy unit.
Everyone expects a Tiger to be difficult to deal with, so why can't we have the same expectations for an SU-76 horde?
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