Admittedly only about 10 times since I was farming war spoils. Max range, ez8 kept bouncing which negated the extra hp it had. 6 times it died.
Must've been a statistical anomaly, or cheatmod weirdness. The Panzer IV at point-blank has less chance to pen the Easy Eight, than the Easy Eight at max range has to pen the Panzer IV.
155 ÷ 234 = 0.66%
120 ÷ 215 = 0.56%
Could also be cheatmod being weird, maybe. It's good for testing, but it's not perfect, it has it's own bugs sometimes. Like Ost trenches being wiped in seconds by small arms fire. |
Why do people say the '85 and ez8 are better than OKW p4 anyway? Test it in the cheat mod, OKW p4 will beat them the majority of the time. The armor is OP.
How many times did you try it? Easy Eight won vs OKW P4 easily +80% of the time in my tests. |
Looks good for the most part. Panzer4s seem weird for being 150 fuel despite being worse than a cheaper easy 8 or t34/85. The only thing I don't feel is right that the OKW P4 costs more than Ez8 & T34/85 while being worse.
I dunno about being worse than the T-34/85, but it is undoubtedly worse than the Easy Eight. USF Rifle Company will be able to simply outnumber and outperform them on a tank-to-tank basis. Coincidentally, this makes both Panzer IV models overpriced in comparison to the Easy Eight. Or the Easy Eight over-performing, but few people are willing to admit that. |
But you can't drop SMG on the ground. Thompsons will be good like upgrade.
Still i like idea with resupply half-track. But i don't believe in this. German lobby will not approve. Sov with BAR and zooks ?! The horror, horror!
Australian Magic clearly mentioned Thompsons. But there is just two ways to limit Thompsons that I know of, you can either have them unlimited, or limited to heavy weapon slots (2 for most squads). The only other way is to have predetermined squads come with them or upgrade to them, as you can control the number and type of weapons they use that way.
Furthermore, while Thompsons and Bazookas were given to the Soviet Union, I can't find any evidence that BAR's were. The closest thing was a Polish BAR clone, the Wz. 1928, captured during the Soviet Invasion of Poland and used in World War 2 in small numbers. But it did not look like the M1918 BAR, nor was it given to them as Lend-Lease. |
I personally find it at least questionable that somebody that doesn't even play a certain faction asks to remove units from that certain faction. The P4 was swapped because nobody used the elite armour doctrine call in P4s and likewise nobody used the Sturmtiger.
Agreed, the doctrinal P4's were useless because they were barely better than a T-34/76, yet hit the field at the same time as the T-34/85's. You were required to buy armour on them before you could use them decently, so that's 160 munitions in addition to the 210 fuel (315 adjusted, 275 if conversion active). Relic gave them massive buffs and made them stock, which finally gave them a place and a use as well as breaking up the monotony of OKW's builds.
I wouldn't mind if they reduced the armour to 208 though like it originally was now that it's not as punishing to lose though. But they should absolutely not remove it, even if a StuG III would be cool to have.
right now okw have so fast t3
need something like you need research in t3 in order to build panthers,obers and kt for 100/150 fuel
right now P4 is something that only 50f less then panther... in same with panther tier
Disagree with gating Obers, but the Panther and King Tiger should be gated behind something other than simply T3 Flak HQ. |
No one said about 6 Thompsons. 2 zooks, 2 bars, 3 Thompsons.
Just because you didn't say it doesn't mean it wouldn't happen. If you can drop Thompsons on the ground to be picked up, then you can drop 6 of them for one squad. Unless you're making them take 1 heavy weapon slot, in which case all squads are only able to grab 1-2 and that's not very effective anyway.
Just make them stock on Assault Guards, so they're unique and more useful. |
(changing variant e.g T34/76 mickey mouse (the Germans called the last model) and the SU 100)
CoH2's T-34/76 is already the Model 1943 though. |
OKW's theme is specialized units
Soviets theme was only AI units, Ostheers theme was only AT units, that was changed ages ago. Themes only last until the developers change them because they aren't working.
Remember that without the P4, OKW was only encouraged to blob Panzerschrecks until they could spam Panthers. The P4 changed OKW's metagame for the better, more so than any change they've received before or after. Panzerschrecks and Panthers are already spammed as much as possible, taking away the P4 just leaves that as the only strategy. And I'd hate to see that encouraged again. |
SU-76 HAS THE SAME PEN AS THE SU-85 STILL
SU-76 does 120 damage (equivalent to panzerschreck or puma) while SU-85 does 160 (normal). SU-76 has 400 health (light tank) vs SU-85's 640 (medium tank). |
How about making this M5 transporter like Brits doctrinal one? I mean, the one with weapons? You could pick up zooks and bars/thompsons from it.
That would be annoying and overpowered. Dropping one SMG at a time would be tedious, but equipping a squad with 6 would be much too strong. Thompsons on USF are capped at 4 on Airborne and Rangers for a reason. |