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Jump back to quoted post22 Nov 2013, 21:21 PMGreeb

Nerfing T70 even more will make the unit useless when Soviet Industry got patched, because if they can't even kill infantry properly there's no reason to go T70 instead of T34.

Not sure if this was over exaggeration or not, but this is what I was responding to directly.

Before Soviet Industry, going T70 was a risky strategy because you won't have SU85 then, and probably only a T34 (at best) when your enemy first PzIV appears.

So T70 was an option only viable when you had the fuel advantage and tried to win the match taking advantage from the small gap of time between the aparition of your T70 and the apparition of your enemy first T3 tank.

If you couldn't win in that interval, then you were fucked. For doing that, T70 should be very effective against infantry. Even so, you needed very good micro to achieve that, because T70 could still get destroyed very easily.

Now, with Soviet Industry all of that is rubbish, because you can spam T34s right after your T70 and doesn't matter if one of them is destroyed. But when the situation reverts we will be back to the previous stage.

So, if you nerf T70 now and you are unable to kill enemy infantry in the few minutes T70 has unmatched, then I don't see any reason to make one instead T34, which has good IA capabilities too and can face enemy armor for only 30 fuel more.

And remember the list of nerfs that unit has had:

- Now it can't run over infantry.
- Unit size changed.
- Soon: Scatter increased.
- Repair ability useless since faust's buff.

I don't think such unit can withstand more nerfs.

I've said plenty of times that T70 are too cheap. Their cost should be increased.
But yes, two T70 should rape Pgrens, and one lone T70 well microed should rape PGrens too.
You shouldn't go NEVER with a single infantry unit against an AI tank.



People makes T70 specifically to counter PGs as they are an infantry hardcounter.
Why do you insist in that you want to kill T70s with infantry?

As someone pointed above, Ostheer have plenty of hard and soft counters, but you insist and insist in that you want to kill them with your shreck PGrens.
Damn, just retreat or garrison a house and wait for your T3 units support. Or ambush it with grens!! Even the most pro player can't see into the fog of war.

Is as if you wanted to see in T70 a unit that fills the same role of vCoH units like M8 or PE AC. But by design and tier placement T70 is more like a mini-Ostwind, with less armor and hit points, reflected in its lower price but with the same AI capabilities.

Nerfing T70 even more will make the unit useless when Soviet Industry got patched, because if they can't even kill infantry properly there's no reason to go T70 instead of T34.

all commanders are gone in steam coh2 page...

True, currently there is no commanders in steam.

Let's hope that means some way of improvement.

400 mp will be fine since it is not only much better than any other hmg in the game, also it appears way before than mg42 so it can garrison key building faster.

The scatter change is good, universally. Vehicle chasing/kiting of infantey has been out of whack imo for a long time.

As to T70, Im against MP cost increase, and prefer a range decrease.

The T70 itself causes MP bleed very consistently. Increasing its MP cost would only mean it has to kill a few more infantry to recoup its cost, and ultimately defeats the units own purpose.

What I see more as the problem is its range which makes a well microed T70 uncatchable by infantry. I propose reducing its range by 10. With its acceleration and mobility it can still yoyo in and out of range or LoS of infantry, but the micro requirement in reduced range pays for that.

Lets be serious here, T70s laugh at the MP bleed and more importantly, the enormous Shrek cost on PGrens. When someone invests 120 Muni into an infantry upgrade, its time for the T70 to start hunting other targets, not deliberately outranging and deliberately fucking up the fire rate on the Shreks.

What you want is to be able to kill a specialist AI tank with infantry. Making PGrens even better than they are right now (possibly the best infantry in the game).

Shrecks are an upgrade to make Pgren less vulnerable to armored vehicles and to make them able to support tank offensives. I doubt it was never intended to see infantry with AT weapons killing anti-infantry tanks.

Kitting infantry is one of the mechanichs in the game that rewarded good micro, and any tank should always have more range than any hand-held AT weapon.
If not, just buy Elite Troops Commander and start spamming vetted PGrens + PGrens w/ shrecks. You won't need anything else to win.