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Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2013, 15:56 PMFortune

Let's get some point of reference here.

You're complaining about CoH2, not Relic. Porsche is a car company, not a model. France is a country, as is Italy, and neither can be constrained into an experience based on travel, you have to live there to have that authority.

Example - The Porsche model of this year is shit, because I drove it for 15 minutes and it doesn't feel as good as my older model.
or:
Example - Rome is not as good to travel as Paris, though I've not travelled to Paris. I base this on my experience of my passport being stolen at a train station in Rome.
Hey, now that I look at it, you just described your own authority with the examples you gave, not mine. I -have- played vCoH, you've played neither DoW2 or DoW1 yet you try (and fail) to draw some kind of point from them, and to describe to me why your point should be taken seriously.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2013, 15:42 PMFortune

I'm sorry, but the differences from DoW 1 to DoW 2 are -staggering- already to begin with. One cannot even compare the two, they are that different. This in mind, the theoretical idea of a DoW 3 is pointless, as the evolution from DoW 1 to DoW 2 already could serve as a basis of argument.

DoW 1 experience compared to DoW 2, when it comes to economy, defenses (there is no base building in dow 2, there is rather extensive base building in DoW 1), units, roles of units, the way suppression works, the way commanders and sub-commanders are implemented, the way vehicles work, the way melee works, the way buffs/debuffs both work and are applied, the role of global buffs and choosing a commander before you even begin the game (you chose your tech mid-game in DoW 1) are completely and utterly rubbish.

Let me reiterate that one for you: DoW 1 experience served zero function in DoW 2, save for the basics of mouse-clicking and hotkeys that are shared in practically all competitive RTS titles.

vCoH->CoH2 differences and these things you are complaining about already happened in DoW1->DoW2. If you want to base anything here on "experience", base it off the experience I have of Relic as a company. They've done this before, and it was wonderful. I have faith it will work here aswell.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2013, 14:38 PMFortune

I feel strongly, that this game would fare much better if it was called something like "The Eastern Front" and just delete the 'Company of Heroes' monicre from its name.

I don't "think" that this game has to be like vCoH to be successful, frankly my view is that vCoH will be the downfall for this game we call CoH2. I love it in its current form, and every single person I've asked in-game and after matches has thus far agreed.

So, forget talking about US vs Wehr, Britts vs PElite. This information as about as useful as discussing Eldar vs Orks, or Space Marines vs Chaos. Sure, the superficial similarities are there (squad-based combat, exp and levelling up for squads, hardcounters, soft counters, upkeep and pop cap, resource management et al) but what you're doing is using an example from one game, and force-feeding it into this one.

vCoH was "critically acclaimed." It was not "Hugely popular" nor did it earn Relic titles like "most-played game of the year", nor can Relic boast about it beating Starcraft, their defacto rival in the RTS genre when it comes to fighting over the player/genre base.

CoH2 needs to be as similar from vCoH, as it needs to be different. The overt arguments of both you and several "venerated" vCoH community spokespeople only serves to prove my point.

Your whole argument now seems to be "Oh, you didn't play vCoH? well hello, bro, this is Company of Heroes -two- meaning you need the experience from the first! D'oh" Yes I realize that is a strawman, but it very accurately portrays your argument, does it not?

This is not a sequel in terms of a continuation. This is a sequel to vCoH as much as Shogun 2 is a sequel to Rome Total War. Same studio, same genre, same stylistic approach and atleast equal amounts of hard work. But I reiterate: This is NOT a continuation of vCoH, it is an evolution of its basic principles and ideas.

CoH2 is not perfect, indeed if it is released in its current state (in terms of unit balance, and their roles) it would flop. That's just my view, though. This is not to say that the changes are inborn from being different from vCoH, quite the contrary. This game needs to be different purely to be fresh and to allow newcomers some leniancy on the learning curve.