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Thread: New Commanders / Units discussion 27 Sep 2013, 17:09 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2013, 17:01 PMCrackBarbie It's actually planned to be added, afaik, but unfortunately there's no ETA. No - its not - its been said several times now officially. http://community.companyofheroes.com/forums/company-of-heroes-2-discussion/topics/No-Custom-Lobby-confirmed http://community.companyofheroes.com/forums/company-of-heroes-2-discussion/topics/half-finished In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: New Commanders / Units discussion 27 Sep 2013, 16:57 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2013, 16:50 PMIpKaiFung The thing is I don't have an us and them mentality. I am extremely excited when I see new people sign up to tournaments or other competitive events. I want more people to take part in competitive events no matter what their skill level is and I want more people to enjoy the aspect of playing RTS games against other people. However you are the ones that want to create barriers and divisions by blaming other members of the community who only want it to grow. Well that's great to hear and I encourage that effort on your behalf. Your initial post though here didn't come across as quite as friendly though - and impressions are hard to interpret on the internet! I think the problem here is that because things that attract "general" gamers are missing - the increase in those general gamers who want to take it to that next level of competitiveness just won't happen as the general community doesn't exist. Grow the base - then more will likely progress to competitive play. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: New Commanders / Units discussion 27 Sep 2013, 16:43 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2013, 16:40 PMIpKaiFung If you think that lobbying for an observer mode and a better replay system so that we can stream and commentate on the game easier and in turn help grow the player base killed CoH2 then more power to you. Both of which might I add we haven't seen a sniff of so we are just as disappointed as you are. However please continue to believe that people like myself and other "leet gamors" fucked the game over for you. You missed the point so much here - I regret that its beyond funny. Maybe focusing on the problem rather than targeting individuals may be more helpful? The more you foster an "Us and them" mentality of "pro" and the "rest" - well - you isolate yourself that much all you'll have left is a game tailored for you and 20 of your closest "leet" friends. While the rest of "us" have moved on to something new - say like that new EA Command & Conquer F2P on the horizon. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: New Commanders / Units discussion 27 Sep 2013, 16:31 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2013, 16:10 PMBeltFedWombat The 'pro' community, I'm sad to say, have killed CoH2 by accident. By getting disproportionate influence over game development the important stuff that matters more to non-elite players has gone by the wayside. Sad but very true. Whats even more telling is the lack of fan boy-ism response that was so typical here for the first few months of release - any criticism was leapt upon vigorously by a large proportion of forum users here. The amount of flack I copped here a while back when I persisted with Noun to give us a straight answer in regards to lobbies etc was rather comical now given retrospect. Now they don't even offer more than a grumble of support given even they agree this isn't going well. I think many of us would be happy with a fixed COH 1 and just forget about this "new" game. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: New Commanders / Units discussion 27 Sep 2013, 15:36 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2013, 11:20 AMBeltFedWombat The CoH2.org only ladders smacked of amateurism, and the lack of lobbies obtuse and even stubborn. CoH2 isn't fun to play as a community game where you can meet new players in-game ^ This. The online - or lack of - in game communication with RANDOM PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW - has essentially killed the in game community. My COH 1 in games friend list was huge, you'd often converse with players while waiting for a 4th player to join a public match etc and you'd build a network of friends. The current system is sterile and cold - COH1 I never made friends playing Automatch - that wasn't what its purpose was for - Automatch was where you went to compete - the Lobby's were where you went to play and enjoy the game. Now all we have is a single avenue to play the game - a forced avenue I might add. Personally I'm glad you had the open Beta as it enabled me to save a good chunk of change and cancel my preorder - the game at that time felt very rough and I figured it'd take several months of patches to fix - so I thought I'd save myself the premium price for being asked to be a tester Guinea Pig and come back when it was fixed. The lack of public lobbies at that time I thought was simply because the beta was there to test the actual game mechanics. In hind sight.....wow.....its really hard to believe you guys thought that beta was essentially good to go. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Multiplayer # of players searching display27 Sep 2013, 15:23 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2013, 13:05 PMUmbert As I see it there are three groups of players: the pro players, the core players and the for fun players. The pros want their stats to be high, their streaks long and care about the ELO rating, also they are ones mostly concerned with equal balance of the game. The core players play a game when they can, some mind if they lose some don't some are frustrated, some encouraged to beat a stronger opponent. But they are not as vocal as the pros, they just play the game as is. Then there are the for fun players, these are your scheldt and compstomp annihilation players that just want to see things explode and like to spam things like artillery. They will definitely quit if they see no fun in a game playing against pros and vice versa will the pros quit when they have to play with for fun players on their team. They will post everything that's imbalanced and broken on the forums. So maybe enable a setting in the automatch for what kind of games you are looking for playing for fun or playing for ladder points or whether it doesn't matter. But you will still be all in the same ranked match pool! And the match-maker would try(!) to find matches according to your preferences. If you select pro: you will see the other players ingame rank, ladder position, ELO and maybe even your possible rise or fall on the ladder when you win or lose against this opponent. The ones looking for fun players could only see the other players faceplates and if they are also looking for fun. So they can be happy if their game consists of mostly players that are all looking for fun. And the core players who do not care for ladder points can simply see the ingame rank as usual. On all settings the Bulletins should be hidden. And revealed after the game. You have beaten Player x who had chosen commander Y with these bulletins: A, B and C. Why not just give the choice that was available Day 1 in COH1? Just put back in the lobbys and let the player decide what style of game they want to play, on what map they want to play it and with whom they want to play? Leave the Automatch there too - as it was in COH1 - and magic - everybody is happy. The simplest solution is often the best - and as many have said - the problem with Smurfing is gone now since the account is tied to the steam account. And really - don't give us the "well that option currently exists....." - out of interest - how many NEW players have people met IN GAME on COH2 and added to their friends list? I can tell you mine is ZERO. Once a game is over - most people just go look for the next match or shutdown - they don't hang about to chat - and that's the problem, unless A LOT of your friends are RTS types, you'll often have no use for the custom system in place. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Multiplayer # of players searching display26 Sep 2013, 21:27 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2013, 20:33 PMAmiPolizeiFunk I really dislike the idea of having no idea who you're loading in against. Even level gave you some information (time spent playing the game). Ideally you'd like to know where they rank on the ladders. If people are dropping because they're scared to play against high level players, that really should be their own problem. The game shouldn't cater to them, and try to "trick" them to stay in the game. If they think they have no chance and want to drop, let them drop, that's their prerogative. The problem here that this dropping only occurs usually in games greater than 2 V 2 - games which traditionally aren't played by "Pro" players - hence these players don't take their COH "seriously" - they log on - fire up a 4 V 4 and boom - they see their team full of low rank - the opposition rank stacked and they're like "Ok - this isn't going to be FUN - I'll just DROP and find another GAME". That's the problem - there's just too much focus here on the "pro" game - and most likely why things like lobbies, Annihilation etc won't get addressed - the Dev's are soundly pandering to the 1% - the "pro" player - and ignoring the rest to their detriment. We probably also won't see Annihilation due to what I'm guessing is a major balance issue too given the german factions armored strength end game vs relatively weak russian AT - but that's another topic. Pro's won't suffer this drop effect as: 1 - Pro's usually play 1 V 1 2 - Pro's want to protect their stats at all costs These same criteria don't apply to Joe Public gamer - they see a stacked team on a map not of their liking - it's then rather easy to just say "GG - then "/leave" and go roll the dice for another game - one where hopefully they have a better team and a map of their liking. Hiding rank doesn't fix this - it's just like the Ostrich sticking it's head even deeper in the sand. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Multiplayer # of players searching display26 Sep 2013, 18:30 PM What I struggle with here - and its a generallity of COH2 - is that why, given this is a sequel built on an original, are we given so much LESS CHOICE that what was provided in the original?? One would think the reverse would be true - that as something expands and evolves - MORE CHOICE would be given. I really think the Dev's decision making here in that "they know best" rather than giving their customers to ability to determine that for themselves is a VERY bad policy choice. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Multiplayer # of players searching display26 Sep 2013, 17:30 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2013, 17:24 PMThe Dave ...let's keep it in perspective here... This isn't like vcoh where the rank is related to any certain skill level (or ability/willingness to drophack). Just because someone is level 100 doesn't necessarily mean they are lighting the world on fire. They could be like SageOfTheSix for example Leaving because someone is better than you is simply self-defeating in and of itself. I'd rather they leave anyways if they're going to be that concerned. The problem here is that 90% of the players out there that just play a random match DON'T know that - they correlate rank with SKILL - which is far from the case now. So 90% of the time - you see the match over in 10 seconds after a player has dropped after seeing a bunch of higher ranks on the opponents and lower ranks on their team. Or they drop because its a map (i.e. most likely a winter one) they don't want to play on.... Or they drop because the lag has started due to the poor ping of the players... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Multiplayer # of players searching display26 Sep 2013, 17:27 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2013, 16:43 PMpqumsieh Instead of showing a number which confuses people who don't understand the system, perhaps we could use a low/medium/high value for players searching. Would that be a better alternative? I suppose we could try to remove faceplates on the loading screen as well, a lot of people were dropping simply on seeing higher ranks. Well - you see - there were these things called "Lobbies" where players could then determine if they wanted to play with the team of players present based on their skill, ping and map of choice...... Instead of trying what you're trying (i.e. lets be oblivious to the problem) - why not just reintroduce what worked in COH1? Why is there such a stubbornness here on the dev's behalf? In: COH2 Gameplay