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Thread: Call to action - Let's Be Awesome Together12 Feb 2014, 21:23 PM I think the problem here is that Noun is jumping to Point B on publicizing the game and making people interested in the game etc. But he's skipping right over Point A which is right now the GAME is the problem. FIX the game and then worry all you like about the streaming and the viewers and the casters etc. Right now you have what, 3 casters that people watch of COH2 (Sib, Hans, VonIvan?) - and oddly enough most of the casters doing COH1 are getting as high (or often higher) levels of viewership. You've had a LOT of community input on the games issues - why people don't partake in tournaments - why the community is toxic towards the game etc - fix those and the rest will fix itself. I can certainly say that fixing COH1 and the DLC issues associated with COH2 will get you a lot of brownie points with a currently unhappy and shrinking fan base. In: Lobby
Thread: Revitalizing the COH2 community?10 Feb 2014, 17:47 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2014, 15:46 PMVonMecha I think its too late for a revitalization. Relic chose it's path and it's going to stick with it. A lot of players stopped playing because, plain and simple, it feels like a watered down version of coh with 2 new features and slightly updated graphics.. los and winter. It seems like someone forgot the formula that made the original a success, like directors remaking movies with their own vision... aka making them suck. Does anyone here think coh1 would've been a success if it started with post nerf Panzer elite Vs Brits? I for would never have bought the game. The original talent isn't there anymore - COH2 is made by those that made OF/TOV - so if you ever wondered to yourself "What would vCOH have been like if the PE/Brit guys made it?" - well take a look at COH2. Completely agree with your sentiments though. To make it worse - not only is it a watered down vCOH in many respects - the only differentiators - namely "tru-sight" (mostly a gimmick) and winter (which most want the ability to disable and have summer maps only by the use of veto) - you start realizing there's very little to like about COH2 when comparing to the original. In: Lobby
Thread: Why don't you take part in tournaments?10 Feb 2014, 00:12 AM Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2014, 23:47 PMVon Kluge So you don't want canned responses from Relic but you think saying nothing is better than saying something? Communications on a level like this is not easy at all so props to Relic for doing so. Is there a difference in the outcome between either? No there isn't. The issue remains ignored and unresolved. A canned response actually just makes me feel patronized which is even worse than simply being ignored. In: Lobby
Thread: Why don't you take part in tournaments?9 Feb 2014, 23:37 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2014, 23:27 PMKatitof Because Noun is not a person to acknowledge for anything. His job is to gather and pass feedback from community to devs and informations from devs right back to us. Be happy he talks to us at all, because vast majority of CMs simply ignore community and limit themselves to posting patch notes/tweets and other important but not community engaging stuff. The problem here is it feels simply like lip service and no action and it's been this way long before official release. Sometimes saying nothing is better than saying something. In: Lobby
Thread: Why don't you take part in tournaments?9 Feb 2014, 23:19 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2014, 23:03 PMNoun Inverse you make well reasoned and well stated points. Thank you for taking part in this thread. Noun, no disrespect intended here, but it's canned responses like this, without even as much as acknowledging the problem raised, is what makes many here feel like things won't change. In: Lobby
Thread: Why don't you take part in tournaments?9 Feb 2014, 22:03 PM I have to say these forums are more fun than the actual game. In: Lobby
Thread: Revitalizing the COH2 community?9 Feb 2014, 21:07 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2014, 20:50 PMHappyPhace I don't know how pivotal Josh Mosqeuira was in design decisions in CoH, but I am going to assume his abscence as lead designer is why CoH2 took one step foward but two steps back. Shame he won't ever be back, he now holds a very very nice position at blizzard. edit: Agreed about paying a youtube celebrity to give it some publicity. First you are going to have to adddress the disgusting issue of the commander DLC page. Literally a full page of $4 commanders is physically sickening. Stop. Please. Convert all of that to aesthetic DLC, skins and faceplates etc.. Once that has been addressed, like said before pay an influential youtuber, follow up with sale. From what I understand the COH2 team is basically the Opposing Force/Tales of Valor team. The guys that brought us Kangaroo Spam and Staghound Spam and MG Halftrack Spam and.... I don't think we'll get a product like vCOH as you put it correctly - that team is no longer there. In: Lobby
Thread: Revitalizing the COH2 community?9 Feb 2014, 21:05 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2014, 20:38 PMVonIvan Bad advertising methods are the main culprit here imo. Balancing is a whole other story, which is an easier problem to solve. I feel the only way to "revitalize" the community would be to have a system of advertising targeting larger audiences, not just audiences in the limited sphere. Whenever I'm on other sites I always see a WoT or SC2 ad being shown, before CoH2 was launched not once did I hear about it either on T.V. or online(Specifically here in Merika'). Unfortunately I completely disagree. Whats the point marketing a bad product? I've bought 3 licenses of COH2 as for Xmas I bought 2 friends a copy who hadn't wanted to pay the $60-$100 entry required when they saw how it played as essentially a F2P title - so right here we have a problem in that people are aware of the "cake and eat it too" mentality that was taken. So at $10 I figured I'd be a nice guy and give them a copy for Xmas. They STILL haven't even installed it. Point 2 - you have a problem when you CAN'T EVEN GIVE IT AWAY. How many people played the free weekend? How many hung around? The players chart tells that story. My friends don't have as much free time as I do given personal commitments - so what little gaming time they have they want it to be good. With COH2 they see games being ultimately decided later in the game by P2W elements of DLC commander and exploits of a broken balance which now I find turning me off the game. i.e. - Sniper/Guards - Shock Spam - Tiger Ace - Ostrupen Spam - Forward HQ spam - Insta-kill air cover spam - RNG - Terrible Pathing - Poor performance on high end PCs - Poor match making This doesn't even touch the question of "If it was good enough for vCOH - why isn't it in COH2 as a basic feature?". My friends were - and I say that past tense - WERE casual vCOH players - Vire Valley etc - that was their fun. They ask "Where are the bunkers?", "Where are the tank traps?", "Why do they get 2 snipers and I get 1?" etc, and then they ask me as they know I still play it "Has it got any better yet?". The casual players like that are simply avoiding it because ultimately their time is important now. RTS's aren't popular with the Xbox 15 year old crowd - most players are 25+ in age and they have responsibilities etc. So they're not going to waste 2 hrs if those 2 hrs aren't fun. So basically marketing a poor product wont do you much good. In: Lobby
Thread: Revitalizing the COH2 community?9 Feb 2014, 07:49 AM Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2014, 05:04 AMNoun We actually debated that. The YT celeb thing. The original idea was to get some top level SC2 casters to play the game and stream it. But Lynx and I pushed to instead use that money to fly our community casters to Vancouver. Later some of that money ended up funding SNF. But who knows, we may try something like that in the future. Maybe a little less marketing and a little more fixing the game might be a better tactic? In: Lobby
Thread: Why don't you take part in tournaments?8 Feb 2014, 17:49 PM Because the game is too dull and broken to justify the time you'd need to put into it. In: Lobby