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so then you think devs should never add anything new to games unless its free just because you dont want to buy it? its not fair that some people can have things you cant just because you dont want to pay for them? does this sound a little entitled and self centered to anyone else? as nice as your idealistic little dream sounds, we all know that will never happen. thats like saying its not fair for anyone to have a better car than you just because you dont want to buy anything more expensive than a civic.

im not even talking about balance here, because you guys have clearly said even if things are balanced its p2w. even "50% wins" is p2w in your eyes, which even an average player without dlc should be able to achieve. hell, even pre ordering is p2w by your definition because you got premium commanders for free that other people no longer get. sorry, but you guys are never going to be happy with those kinds of standards.

1 - The developers received anywhere from $59-$99 just for the initial "right" to then purchase DLC - of which on DAY 1 there was an abundance of DLC available (not as in the more traditional form of DLC which is created at a later date to extend the life of the game rather than how this looked - that the game itself was just a platform to sell you more stuff).

2 - The DLC being sold directly impacts players - and you as a player have no CHOICE - be it choices made available by paying more for options that are otherwise not available to you in any way shape or form beside PAYING for them.

3 - Continuing from 2 - If you chose NOT to partake in the DLC - you have no CHOICE in the random opponents in match making who DO have that DLC - ie. there's no way to screen your opponents or check a box saying "No Elite Troops" etc - where as in vCoh if you didn't want to play a DLC "commander" - you could see if there was a Brit/PE in the game and elect to play or not. COH2 - no such choice.

4 - These commanders don't bring any extended play to the game - they are typically rehashed allotments of skills that may be more potent than other commanders - or they give you an edge that you can't get as it combines cherry picked abilities from other free commanders.

5 - True value adding DLC is to be found in extending the life of the GAME. More missions etc - this takes work and effort and should be encouraged as it GIVES you, the player, MORE from the game you purchased.

If you can't understand why players feel this is pay 2 win - that's because you elect not to.

If they had simply maintained the "bling" DLC and the extended mission pack DLCs - I don't think there'd be any claim of P2W.

Jeez, I give up then. Let the hate commence!

Through robust conversation and discussion and I dare say it - arguments - PROGRESS COMES.

I know you don't allow this sort of discussion on the official forum, so please, allow us to have SOME place to continue discussion.

1. You say to give them time to learn from their mistakes - why didn't they learn from vCoH's mistakes? OF's mistakes? ToV's mistakes? CoHO's mistakes? In fact they didn't just not learn from them, they repeated them. I'm not as optimistic that this is something time alone will fix. The track record isn't there.

2. As I asked Ciez & co. to point out to me a few pages back, nothing fundamental about the game is changing. They're improving balance yes, Relic is actually quite good at that imo. But I remember DoW2's 1.4 "There Is Only War" patch where in the name of improving balance they gutted the core game. You have to fix the fundamental gameplay before balance becomes an issue.

+1

When you have 7 years experience and learn absolutely zero from it - the excuse of 'well vcoh had the same problems early on too' just doesn't cut it, especially when your selling point is sequel to the greatest rts of all time.

The problem now is who's left that want to buy Coh2? People who would have already have and are leaving it, hence the declining numbers and repeated sales and free weekends etc. Coh1 veterans either Uninstaller or hope for improvement.

That leaves the new player, who sees a multitude of DLC.

It doesn't look good.

Well we had these up yesterday...originally though it wasn't a P2Win tag....lol



And then the switch to how it is today:



Nice to see we are the best selling P2W title though!

The goal was never to be like SC2. If Relic came out and said they were going to make CoH2 as it is today, nobody would be frustrated because we would've known what to expect. The frustration stems from being led to believe that the competitive scene was something Relic was focused on, when ultimately it doesn't seem that it was.

This - AND the fact that COH1 is in the unplayable state it's in - basically removing the "well if you don't like COH2 then don't play it" - as simply there's no alternative given COH has been crippled.

Essentially the "existing" (pre-COH2) community is just left feeling pretty lousy about this whole experience - hence the negativity.

COH2 really should have just had a name change - had nothing to do with COH1 and then it'd be judged on its own merit and credits - and "old school" COH1'ers wouldn't be as critical as they are about COH "2".