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Thread: [Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback29 Dec 2020, 17:20 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2020, 16:47 PMKatitof A 180 fuel tank will be better then 125 fuel one. Deal with it. Done AND its on life as well! The Panther is 125 fuel now? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: RNG28 Dec 2020, 17:57 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 17:48 PMMr Carmine How can massivly impactfull rng only benifit less skillful players? Skilled players dont get them? They quit if they opponent gets a nast mgc favouring the skilled them? Those skillfull players only loose their minds when they are on the recieving end just like normal people, and mostly dont bat an eye if it happens to the opponent. The difference is one knows #### happens, the other cant get over it. More skilled players can make their own plays, and do not need to benefit from massively impactful RNG to feel as though they did something "impressive". Contrariwise: A very unskilled player will only ever experience an "impressive" event through RNG. This is why it favours very bad players, and not players with skill. Both players are affected by it, but a good player will do impressive things without the game taking control and doing it itself. In: Lobby
Thread: Penals, the Elephant in the room28 Dec 2020, 17:54 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 17:47 PMVipper Yes the point is the need inferior weapons to Guards Mosin which is a powerful weapon especially on the move. They could well be given Conscript mosins, along with some of the unit's models being Capeless Guards (Which I believe exist?) or even Conscripts to represent their less "Elite" status/rifle power. In: Lobby
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Dec 2020, 17:16 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 17:11 PMgbem 2 zook RE vs p4 pgrens fared even better... How'd Penals do from the same position? Differing elevation has a severe impact on tank combat. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Penals, the Elephant in the room28 Dec 2020, 17:14 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 17:02 PMVipper Guards have high power level and high AI, a stock AT should not have high AI. It should simply be designed to fight vehicles. Ergo: AT guards. In: Lobby
Thread: Penals, the Elephant in the room28 Dec 2020, 16:59 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 16:42 PMKatitof That's not even wishful thinking, that's a meth overdose dream. What do you do with 7 doctrines with guards? What about shocks+guards? What kind of power level these new penals should have if they are supposed to be alternative to cons, but but coming at the same time as cons? What role should they have, because you've just described "cons but not cons, because they have different name now" which already is vippers wet dream. Ideally they'd be an "AT guard" variant, rather than being a direct copy of the doctrinal guards. Alternatively: The doctrines could be changed to not include Guards, but either have an upgrade for the nondoc guards to make them more potent, or have some other abilities instead. I'm not sure. Guards + Shocks would likely be a cause for concern, though it's likely this could be balanced. I've made suggestions before as to what Penals might look like if they were changed. Though they could well stay (almost) as they are if they ended up in tier 0. They're already rather expensive, and slow to produce, coupling with the inherent cost of Tier 1. Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 16:53 PMVipper Soviets do not need stock Guards. If there is even the need for an AT squad, that should be separate "new" unit specifically designed as an AT unit with little AI. I'd prefer an "AT Guards" squad to them being purely a copy of the existing doctrinal guards. Button should be retained, though this is currently tied to the DP-28. In: Lobby
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Dec 2020, 16:54 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 16:51 PMJohnSmith If you insist on bringing proof that it is considered as "good" then you should also bring "proof" that actually validates what is "good" for that particular scenario. That's ground truth reasoning. But since we can't bring ground truth to what is "good", all we can bring is just discussions to what one thinks. All that stands here now is that you think it's good because it takes 40 seconds from green cover, where I think it's bad because it takes 40 seconds. Right now, there are other AT squads doing a much better job and quicker than 40 seconds. Penals are being bothered because there are loud noises in the forum repeating penals are OP. Can you describe a scenario in which Zooks and Shrecks do much better than PTRS? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Dec 2020, 16:52 PM It's also worth stating that (According to Stein's statsheet) PTRS and other AT rifles outrange Zooks and Shrecks, at 40 range vs 35. This can be an useful feature. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Dec 2020, 16:50 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 16:44 PMJohnSmith No, I don't have to "prove" you wrong because I disagree with you. It's a discussion, not a tribunal about who is in the right or who is in the wrong. I said above that if you think 40 seconds of shooting from green with no other play is OK as AT, that's your point, not mine. I think that 40 seconds of shooting and still losing is a sign that it needs a buff especially for that kind of unit. But it's clearly performing better than Zooks or Shrecks in a situation in which it can't immediately be run down by the tank. Penals also have a built-in defence from being run down by tanks, in their Satchel charge. I'm not seeing what part of them is needing buffing. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Penals, the Elephant in the room28 Dec 2020, 16:40 PM I still think Penals should just be moved to tier 0, have their AT package removed, and be given Veterancy and a "Mobilise Reserves" upgrade" to compensate. Guards (Or some variation thereof) should be put in tier one. Their starting power changed to accommodate the fact they'd potentially be coming at minute one (Or being further gated behind also having tier 3/2). They provide a better AT platform than PTRS penals, due to Button, and it gives Soviet an infantry option to compete with Axis elites. I'd still prefer Penals be redone into a true Conscript alternative, but this is a potential option if that isnt on the table. In: Lobby