Profile of Klement Pikhtura

Agreed. I have never had an issue going against the 120mm due to its slow firing rate.

Also we shouldn't be nerfing indirect fire due to the prevalence of team weapon spam.



One of the biggest failures of COH 2 is the fact that they chose to be lazy and apply a one shoe fits all approach when it comes to unit damage.

For example Mortars usually do around 80 damage to all targets assuming it is a direct hit.

Why not instead make Mortars do 40 damage but then they do the full 80 damage vs Team Weapons (MGs/Mortars/AT Guns etc) this would allow Mortars to be made more consistent (by increasing AOE/improving scatter) while not acting as ranged snipers and 1 shotting squads from across the map while still being great at the one thing you want a mortar for...which is to counter MG spam.


They tried numerous ways to make indirect fire better (adding suppression for example) but never actually went and did the thing that would make sense because it would take an extra 5 minutes of work to add scaling based on unit type as it is very easy to do in the modding tools.

The issue with 120mm is that you have no way of countering it and 120mm counters leIGs, HMGs, AT guns, infantry fighting in cover, static buildings like tech building for OKW and so on, while OKW has to go mechanized to at least pressure the 120mm, because you need to kill 4 models to at least decrew that thing. With OST it is all bad, because Werfer is an RNG cannon and is very inconsistent if you fire further then 60..70 ish meters, so it is not even worth for OST to try doing anything against it, unless you go LeFH, which is a less then desirable solution at least for me.

I think 120mm is so good that the single mortar might outperform 2 leIG

I'd like to not water-down all indirect units too much. We're pretty much there already, and it has made support weapon spam untenably obnoxious in many team games. 1 Mortar can't properly shut down an MG with smoke due to pack up times relative to smoke cooldown.

If you want to nerf double 120mm mortars, I would suggest increase the pop-cost so it costs more MP over time and punishes keeping them in a late game army. Pop-cost is how you control unit spam, its why 2 KV-1s just doesn't happen anymore.

I'm also exhausted at the MG+Mortar combos that dominate Red Ball Express, and aggressively urban maps with good garrison positions. City 17 and Essen Steelworks for example. I wish we could swap Counter Barrage for something else (flare?) on OST mortars. CB is just against the heart and soul of COH. A mortar that counters mortars so it can mortar freely leaves a bad taste. The best solution to any problem should be a combo of units.

If HMGs are problem then solution shouldn't be in 3 commanders and 1 faction. This is way too specific.

I can't say about Gachi, but in my opinion the lethality on this unit is too much. So we got the HMG counter, that becomes and all infantry counter, hence the 0.5 moving accuracy penalty and buffs in cover. This is sort of like with the ST that was supposed to counter blobs, but ended up countering everything lmao

But the idea with popcap is great. If people are OK with lethality being this bonkers the Survivability, price, popcap and, of course, timing should be adjusted (2cp for this monster is a bit early).

I understand that Balance team would not want this unit to be nerfed to the ground like it was with almost every indirect, but 120mm definitely needs some decisive nerfs and it is a matter of time till this topic was raised. Hell, even balance team acknowledged this with their autofire range nerf to 80.

Cant it be lowerd to just 4 models then? As Klement said, it might aswell right now have 6 models, since you need only 1 to operate. Or maybe change its formation somehow, so it would be easier to counter it.

And still 4 models means 5 if this was a regular mortar, since you need to kill 4 dudes to actually decrew it, but this is a start.
I also think that OST counter barrage should outrange the 120mm, currently it is 100m range same as barrage range for 120mm. For example 120mm even with that scatter has a very high chance of wiping OST counterpart (albeit with slight afk from the OST mortar), but not the other way around. Maybe give barrage same range and add give it back with veterancy. Even with 80 range it will have plenty of lethality.

Oh, no. They butchered my OST sprint sad crying face

This one was quite recent:

I play as USF, opponent is OST at Bocage. I screwed up and allowed the guy to build a medic bunker near mid VP and he camped there hard with 2 HMGs and 2 mortars, which I though was not a big deal, thinking to myself: "That will be easy. This guy is just another camping noob".
The thing is that he seemed like having a maphack and mortared me seemingly everywhere and always outflanked me. Suffice to say, all my efforts to kill the bunker were futile. After accusing the guy of maphack and trying to do anything I could to win for 20 minutes - I quit. After watching replay I found out that he had a bunker with reinforce and medic upgrade that had like 75 or so sight range. Before patch, where this oversight was fixed, I had never seen that strat again.

These two were quite a long time ago, but still very funny moments:

Playing 4v4 with my friend as USF at Red Ball. After mass retreat, trying to reinforce all my guys. Comes burning plane and wipes three squads with ambulance and leaving 1 dude alive as USF.

2v2 as USF had a retreat point near the shed south of muni point at Crossing in the Woods. We were winning roughly 400 vs 200 VP, I own my guy hard. After my mass retreat (typical USF lmao) comes panther, the guy sees all that and calls frag bombs. In panic I tried retreating all infantry to my base, but I can't because Major is still the retreat point... Lose all my army but a Sherman. After seeing all that, I opened a menu and click "Exit to Windows"...