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Amongst other things, the fact that TDs with 55 range wouldn't stand a chance against tougher German armor that is backed up by a 60 range ATG, or the fact that it's one of the trade-offs for being an expensive late game vehicle that has bad armor and low health that doesn't have any AI damage at all, or the fact that the Panther is designed to counter mediums and heavies and not also tank destroyers.

The Allied Tank Destroyer profile isn't healthy, because their high penetration and regular/high DPM means they counter every type of vehicle, but their range is not the problem.

Sweet TD stats like 640 hitpoints, 160 armor, absolutely no anti-infantry, bad mobility and turret rotation in the case of the Firefly, and being a casemate in case of the SU-85? Don't just cherry pick. They have plenty of disadvantages compared to the Panther.

Im not sure a 5 range nerf will break Allies play. 55TD will still trade well over meds and heavy calls in. They will get the first and last shot of an engagement. You cannot really flank with a Tiger or KT. 55TD still have their pen, damages, rof, abilities. You can still complement them with Allies call ins. Nothing really changes in terms of counters imo.

But yes you are right, the only tougher german armor that changes with 55TD, is the panther supported by 60ATG. Which is the point, bingo! It brings panther back into the game. Which makes most sense for where all their costs stand. Now Panther plays are too passive, nothing about the dives or making use of the durablity.

55TD still have an advantage over Panthers, and why Allies shouldnt make more active support of their 55TD with 60ATG?

Yes you are right again on 55TD HP and armor, are of med class. But their guns are superb, which is enough for where their price stand. Low popcost also helps with support. As for SU85 and FF, i did suggest making SU85 tracking cheaper, and make FF tulips cheaper. These 2 tanks already have the sight advantage even as a 55TD. As repeated, Sov and Ukf can and do have tougher armor to supplement 55TD.

Im not sure how much changes we can go with 60TD's pen and rof. There seems to be no room to go except for superficial reduction. Reducing pen% from 90% to 87% or rof ttk from 10s to 10.2s (randon figures exampe), statistically, dont change anything except on paper.

55TD seems the most logical test, without affecting units from top to bottom. It seems to make Panther more exciting for its cost, again!

I know maybe my >1000 rank hold less weight. I hope more top players put their comments on a 55TD change. Perhaps there are more than meets the eye from different views.

Yes that's the game. Jackson got to vet3 by dueling well against the panther when both were 1 unit each.

That's the problem with ATg against 60td, much hard to participate than the opposite with 50td axis. Hence my 55td suggestion is to bring axis Atg in the game more fairly

Usf is so effective in cost perf if anything again. He have a calliope at the back while okw has the st. Panther was mostly on the back foot from the moment 1v1 till a 2v1 came on to rape it.

While the okw orange just managed to eke a win. The Jackson with ATg was holding well against the panther and ATg.

Imo fow and true sight should be more premium to encourage more slower tactical planning.

These items seem to overpower scouting too much.

Swap IRHT with opel blitz truck from stock to doctrine. Opel function the same, is buildable at 250mp and 10fu but no popcosts. Now okw have caches option.

Mortar flare sight time should be 1s. Reduce their reload and cooldown times to fire more often. But have it as toggle between normal mortar or recon mortar with cool down.

All arty flares from doctrine should not have such long fall times

How about apart from techable aec AND bofor, we give aec capture point toggle? That will make emplacement less a drag on field presence.

Maybe put back kangaroo carrier in a form of buffed brencarrier.

Emplacement are fine and faction uniqueness is also needed

Im sure top players can show a ukf meta. Helping hans used to play brits.

As others stated, ukf call in are not as fun and lacks a AI+AT heavy. Shocks rangers > commandoes. So perhaps we help commandoes with slight changes

I believe the chance to pen a tiger with 60td is higher than a panther can pen a is2. Dropping to 55td won't make a losing impact

60td is simply unneeded and spoil the contest to laziness.

A pioneer needs to WALK to provide sight to mg42, a 60td simply drives about.

A 60td Jackson can 1v1 a costlier panther. The 10 range deficit is too much to take a chance since jackson can dive in an out of panther AND ATgun range. At 55td, at least allies td will have to reconsider the ATg more.