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Anyways, back more on topic, it seems like PanzerGrenadiers got over buffed.

Been watching some casts and damn if they aren’t performing really strongly.

My fix/ slight nerf would be to return them to the WM tier 2. (I’ve never liked the idea of building multiple tiers of units from the HQ building anyways.)

I don’t have a problem with them being powerful, but separating them from a tier structure allows for more tech skipping strategies that I thought we all agreed is bad for balance.

Stalling for late game tanks with early game call ins is just as bad if not worse than stalling for late game call ins with a heavy tier 1 and 2.

Just put PGs back in tier 2. The Allied equivalent would be if Soviets unlocked Penal Troops at the HQ they unlocked molotovs or something.

Panzerfusilliers

PF miss 2 thing that VG have access to sandbags (imo should be removed from all mainline infatry or have speed decrease)


If the role is mainline infatry one should consider adding this options

In my opinion ALL mainline infantry should have the ability to build sandbags. The advantage of taking ground and digging in is negated when you cannot dig. Cover utilization and using infantry to take and hold ground is fundamental to the way CoH is played.

Not every infantry unit should have it though, just those that are considered “mainline” or “core” infantry.

In COH2 that means Riflemen, Conscripts, Grenadiers, Infantry Sections and Volksgrenadiers. All five of these squads should be able to build simple sandbag walls.

Additionally, Ostruppen should be able to build sandbags because they are essentially just crappier mainline infantry with no real advantages except cost, unlike Panzerfusiliers and Penal Troops who are an alternate to regular infantry, but do have specific strengths.

Lastly, all basic worker units should be able to build sandbags, barbed wire, some form of tank trap (Which shouldn’t provide cover, just halt movement) and some sort of mine. These are basic principles of modern warfare.

Are you sure we are playing the same game? P2 into puma into cmd panther is a common strat in 1v1 but I know 0 top players who use this strat in 3v3. And I know the majority of the top 3v3 players.

And second: No snares for brits??? They have snares since 6 months already

Lack of snares doesn’t need to mean a complete and total absence of them. It’s just that infantry sections don’t have them so you can bully them with a Panzer II while all other factions mainline infantry can fight back more effectively.

But yeah, I missed the part in the title about it being specifically 3v3 games. There’s no reason Panzer II to Puma wouldn’t still work in a team game though, as long as you then adjust and go for tier 4 afterwards and then command Panther.

If you have a Wehrmacht ally then you could also request him to share his healing bunker by placing it between your bases or even just building you one if he has the spare manpower, much like USF putting the ambulance between the bases. Not viable on all maps due to the distance, but it could be done.

Yes i agree. Pak howie hard counter Ost in my 2v2 experience.
Does really painful mp drain, and return fire is difficult until T4.

Maybe move Pak to doctrine unit or simply nerf its damage output, from 2/4 50% HP with 1 of 3 shots, to just 1/4 35% with 1 of 3 shots.

No reason Usf have mortar, pak and Scott together.

The reason for such a large number of USF indirect fire options is the overall confusing faction design.

There is a lot of overlap between the mortar and pack howitzer where the pack howitzer is basically just s better mortar.

My solution would be to buff the USF mortar to be an exact copy of the Wehrmacht mortar, then move the pack howitzer to be doctrinal, as it is already droppable in the recon support commander you don’t even need to add it to any other commanders. Then you buff the pack howitzer slightly by making its barrage ability have a faster rate of fire to make it actually worth forgoing the mortar if you want a strong long range barrage unit that’s locked behind a doctrine.

This now does several things:

A. Less pack howitzer spam because it’s locked to only one doctrine that gets it in an expensive way.

B. Buffs the hardly used USF mortar so it is used more. Making it a copy of the Wehrmacht mortar would be a good start, just with a different vet 1 ability.

C. Reduces the number of non-doctrinal indirect fire options that USF has down to 1 team weapon and 1 vehicle, like most other factions.

D. Opens up a spot to make the M10 non-doctrinal in the Captain tier, allowing the M10 and M36 Jackson to be rebalanced so that USF has a light TD and a heavy TD instead of just one TD that dominates everything. (Jackson spam isn’t fun for anyone.)