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Yeah, shit metal is also important, from which the German tanks were made in the late stages. One 122/152 mm a high-explosive / armor-piercing projectile was enough for the King's Tiger to fall apart at the seams.

There is not shit metal, an he shell like 122mm melt everything.
Problem is, with that low velocity, king tiger has all day to use is2 as targets while it comes at a realistic range to use he shell with low velocity.

We get a situation at which is2 can't hope to come close to hit enemy tanks without being exposed to enemy AP (that have high velocity), unless we are taking in specific situations like viller-boccage or urban combat.

And you are firing inaccurate 806m/s shells at a ranged combat in which the enemy uses 1200+ m/s lighter shell much more accurate, while you still need a direct hit in order to destroy it while it takes 20 seconds to load a second shell (as opposed to 9 seconds).

In your pictures the first tank has a broken track, but doesn't show anything but minor damage except stabilizer and turret hydraulic system, probably the crew is still alive.
The reactive armor did its job, notice how an he shell reliant on spalling lose 90% of effectiveness whenever it encounters reactive armor that detonate it before impact, even more than ap shells.
The second pucture tank is probably repairable.

And from an economical (war economy) point of view using he of that caliber against all targets is like using cash to lit a fire.

Dude just read some stuff about tanks and guns etc to understand at least the basics.

Pz.Gren 39 (APCBC) was the standard for the German tanks until the end of the war. Pz. Gren 40 (HVAP) was produced in relatively small quantities until 1943. Then production was stopped because their was no Wolfram available which was necessary for production of the Pz.Gren 40.

When you compared penetration stats of IS2 and Panther you used different types of ammunition. For the Panther you used HVAP and for the IS2 you used APCBC. That made your whole rant about penetration stupid since you didnt even bother to use the same types of ammunition.

So for real world conditions the IS2 still had more penetration than the Panther. No matter which way you are trying to twist facts and build your own fantasy.

OFC...

1)HVAP can be fired because the main gun allows to do it, if 122mm didn't have it is because it was an artillery gun with extreme low velocity, so even the lack of HVAP for a 1944 at gun is ridicolous and says it all about "better design hurr durr"

2) In your own freaking source penetration isn't considered in a perfect 90degrees hit, while it is for soviet 122mm (which indeed show same penetration of my source)
A conversion to 90 degrees result in much higher velocity (what a coincidence...EXACTLY like my source) and higher than 122mm penetration, so both 39/42 and 40/42 were far better.

90 degrees hit

Pzgr. 39/42 (APCBC) 935 m/s (3,070 ft/s) 185 179 168 158

Pzgr. 40/42 (APCR) 1,130 m/s (3,700 ft/s) 265 253 234 216

Conversion of 144mm of armor from 30 degrees to 90 degrees hit (effective armor)

https://panzerworld.com/relative-armor-calculator?armor_thickness=144&angle_type=sine&angle_1=60&angle_2=90

166 armor at 500ms compared to 39/42 168 and 40/42 234 (mm)

Factually wrong you say? Why are you using the ML20 field gun instead of the D25T 122mm tank gun of the IS2?

Real Panther and IS2 penetration tables are:
30° sloped armour at 500/1000/1500m

Panther 124/111/100mm

IS 2 140/130/120/mm

https://www.wwiivehicles.com/soviet-union/guns.asp
https://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/guns/75-mm.asp

Because the DT 122mm is ripped out of it, and surely the original artillery didn't use at guns.
The penetration chart is taken from is2 main gun.

Also, your sources agree with mine, and are completely different compared to what you posted.

Pzgr 40/42 (HVAP)
12.7 lb, 10.5 lb, 4.72 kg, 4.75 kg
3,675'/s
1,120 m/s



170


30
194
174
150, 149
127
106

174mm at 500ms with 30d, hell even better than my link.

122 mm 1943 D-25 T L/43 APCBC 204
30 140 130

140mm at 500ms, quite poor.

As I said. It had a 122mm gun, 4 Mgs, thick sloped armour while still beeing somewhat easy to move around. It was a far better design than Tiger I. But ok, that´s rl and not very relevant.

Are you really going to compare a 1944 tank with a 1942 tank ?

Main gun:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.8_cm_KwK_43
Kwk43 8.8cm penetration at 500ms: 282mm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/122_mm_gun_M1931/37_(A-19)
Dt 122mm penetration at 500ms: 155mm

With such a big caliber, penetration is quite low, mainly due to low velocity, which is actually telling to anybody barely competent that it is far from being a good/cost efficient design.

The king tiger was faster, 41 km/h vs 37 km/h.

Due to design flaws (the is2 was originally designed to carry an 85mm main gun) it had a slow turret traverse, compared to the 36 degreed/second king tiger turret traverse, and the reload was extremely long, up to 25 seconds, improved to 20-15 seconds in 1945, and during the war could carry half the ammunitions king tiger, tiger and pershing could carry.

King tiger had 150-100mm with a 40 degrees angled armor, which is the equivalent 185mm unsloped armor max, much more than 100mm max armor sloped at 60 degrees.

Now can we please ignore historical aspects like if those were an argument ?

I have an idea for brace.

Fire whoever designed it,
Then remove it from the game.

Orrr
Fire whoever designed it,
Reduce brace time/increase recharge time

Annndd
Fire whoever designed it,
Do not allow standfast/brace to be activated at the same time

This lol. What an idea...who the hell designed it ?