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Thread: Problems of flanking tanks21 Jun 2019, 11:04 AM The strategy of flanking a tank in this game is quite hard. Difficult flanking can lead to many problems. TD's long-range out-boxing is incredibly powerful, making Heavy TDs too powerful in 3v3 games or 4v4 games. On the other hand, a mobile TD like the m10 makes it very difficult to use. This is for several reasons. 1. Engine damage becomes very easy. - In general, in terms of attempting flanking, maneuverability is a very important factor. Therefore, it is difficult to flanking at the same time as the infantry, and tanks often operate alone. Even with infantry and combined arms, it is difficult to quickly remove enemy infantry before causing engine damage. Only a mistake, the tank that receives engine damage during flanking is almost certainly destroyed. During the flank, you must avoid enemy infantry, mines, and anti-tank guns and bypass them, easily blocked by CAS skills. While it is extremely risky, the probability of success is very low. 2. The backward speed of the tanks is very fast. - As is the case with real history, most tanks have very slow backward speeds compared to forward speeds. However, CoH2 does not make a big difference. This makes it easy to respond to flanking; You just have to move back a long distance. This also makes it easier for the tank to retreat in a frontal battle. Even if you make a mistake on the enemy's front, you can just back off quickly. This makes relatively frontal combat easier and reduces the value of flanking. I would therefore like to suggest these changes. 1. Change the effect of engine damage. - Engine damage reduces the backward speed significantly, instead of reducing the forward speed less. This will cause the vehicle that receives the engine damage to choose one of them; Will you give me a rear armor, or will the enemy make it much easier to pursue? 2. Lower the HP causing engine damage. - Current trams are subject to engine damage if they are below 75% HP. This creates a condition where engine damage can be achieved if one penetrates through the medium tanks. I think that improving this will make flanking more active. I want to hear your opinion. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Grenade Model Cap13 May 2019, 02:04 AM Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 19:42 PMKatitof Mines have a cap, because it was RNG squad wipe. Grenades are L2P squad wipe, therefore don't need any cap. +1 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Can we adjust the Scott already?12 Mar 2019, 14:10 PM Useless Sandbag Forces In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Received Accuracy for OKW JLI and USF Pathfinder25 Feb 2019, 19:48 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2019, 18:01 PMdistrofio You counter argumented yourself, RNG is not Magical, ffs. All probabilites are not close to the normal distribution, but the mean. normal distribution determines how far values are able to reach. Pleaase stop spreding missinformation. You are breaking away from the present. It was a quick conclusion to conclude with one or two experiments, and I was surprised to find JLI winning, but the hugging condition of the first experiment was the worst condition for 'JLI'. how marksman can win vs. BAR infantry at close range? it means the they are not the same level of infantry. This shows that JLI is not weak at all even under CQC conditions. Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2019, 18:01 PMdistrofio Neither i believe your "dude trust me" experiments, nor representative example, 1/4 - 3 man surviving is not only a lie, but a very offset data from the real performance values. And I do not know what the difference is from the experiment that addvaluejack did above, but if I did 10 consecutive same experiments, JLI wins with a 7: 3 probability. I do not know if this is the role of RNG, but in the end different results came out. I do not know why this is happening, but in this case JLI has won 70% of the 10 trials. Even in the worst 'CQC hugging' condition for JLI. Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2019, 18:01 PMdistrofio Not at all. As long as you keep biasing your samples, all your conclusions are biased too and flawed. Sry bro, statistics is a hard topic and you failed at it miserably. FYI:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_bias Dont force an argument if you cant back it up properly. In most cases, JLI's long range combat capability does not even need to be mentioned, and even under CQC conditions, it is not as weak as you might think. The conditions given here are once again mentioned, but they are theoretically close to the worst conditions and rarely occur in real situations. In most cases, the JLI is able to break the opponent in a long-range combat in spite of a much lower cover condition, and it is difficult to catch the victory even if the JLI hits the CQC situation. JLI is not an elite infantry that requiring 400 manpower like Ranger. This is not to say the logic being defeated by sampling bias. Everyone knows what a sampling bias is. The problem is that there is a situation in which JLI wins, despite assuming the worst. In what RTS does this happen? This can be said to be a problem. Is there any worse situation in the confrontation between JLI and Pathfinders? But still JLI wins with a high probability. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Received Accuracy for OKW JLI and USF Pathfinder25 Feb 2019, 17:17 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2019, 16:31 PMdistrofio States about some unit beign OP. Knows how RNG works. *Makes a film with a single encouter on every setup. Source: Dude, trust me. Its so likely that he repeated over and over again that same setup until RNG turns out in his favour. Thats malicious information manipulation, just to state that JLI are way OP than they really are. There is no genius needed to identify your fraud. Please stay away from sensible arguments from now on. The only prupose you seek is to deterr the game in your favour and your own bias. You are not respecting the game for everyone, you just want it to suit yourself. AFAIK JLI are being nerfed in a new fashion, in order to remain somewhat useful and not a meme like many other mistakes in the past. Wether you like it or not JLI are not being hammernerfed. I only performed one experiment in that experimental video. RNG sometimes work magically, but generally they do not make a huge difference to the extent that they do not overturn the win / loss unless they are of similar performance (all probabilities are close to the normal distribution). As a representative example, in the fourth experiment (2 bar pathfinder and CQC situation), JLI's squad survived more than three people, showing very large performance differences. This has not had any effect on the victory or defeat even if I try again. You can clearly see what is biased with just one experiment. Is JLI really helpless in CQC? It can not be said clearly. At least one thing is certain that even CQC is more powerful than 2BAR Pathfinder. You say that JLI is not causing any problems, but JLI is still causing problems because of its incredibly fast start time of 1cp. I do not think that this unit will overturn the game, but I think the OP is definitely solid. This unit is a unit designed as 'scout'. It is not a very good cost-effective unit to change the composition of the infantry combat. And, as for the unit which performs performance out of the original role, we are usually called OP. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Received Accuracy for OKW JLI and USF Pathfinder25 Feb 2019, 15:29 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2019, 15:03 PMaddvaluejack No offense, but you really should run your tests multiple times. JLI beat Pathfinder in close range is very rare. According to my 10 times' test, Pathfinder won 10 times. Even if it is just an effect of RNG, the overall story does not change anything. JLI still defeats them regardless of Pathfinder's BAR upgrade in long-range. Hugging scenarios are more common on the USF side. This shows that JLI is designed to be a weakness of CQC, but it is nevertheless very difficult to deal with. In general, no jerk will hug the JLI to Pathfinder. This is just an extreme example, as I said from the beginning. For the most part, JLI is not a position to hugging, but a position to be hugged. As you can see in the second case above, regardless of the opponent's cover level, JLI can only beat the opponent very easily in long-range if only attack command is given. Users who are very annoyed with some JLIs will try kiting again with Sprint when they approach JLI. As such, JLI is a problem with very large potential units.The comparison between Pathfinder and JLI, as you understand, comes from a similar set of roles. Both are scout units, and are long-range combat specialists. Production requirements are similar. However, the performance of both is very different. This means one of two things. Pathfinders do not have value, or conversely, JLI is OP. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Received Accuracy for OKW JLI and USF Pathfinder25 Feb 2019, 13:57 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2019, 13:42 PMStug life as i said multiple time the problem is the tresh hold is too high lower it to 50 add another sniper rifle and be done with it totally agreed. Anyway, I just do not want to see any more telling the biased story like the truth. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Received Accuracy for OKW JLI and USF Pathfinder25 Feb 2019, 11:18 AM Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2019, 00:01 AMaddvaluejack At least JLI with G43 is only good at long range. But Pathfinder with one Bar? Should I close in or stay at distance? I don't think JLI have any advantage over Pathfinder for this topic here. Any thing wrong with combined blob? Combining blob is strong for every faction, for example, combining Pathfinder and Rifleman is strong, too. The funny fact is that JLI can actually defeat Pathfinders with BAR upgrades in almost any distance and situation. The following video covers four different cases; 1. JLI hugging into 1BAR Pathfinder with light cover 2. JLI with light cover vs. 2BAR Pathfinder with heavy cover at Long range, 3. 3vet JLI hugging into 1 BAR 3vet Pathfinder with Heavy cover 4. 2BAR 3vet Pathfinder and 3vet JLI CQC Situation Most situations are very ideally bad for JLI, but JLI defeats pathfinders very well. JLI is obviously a long-range combat specialist, but even good enough at assuming a hugging situation using like CQC specialists. JLI is clearly a unit designed with CQC weaknesses. However, in practice, JLI is not weak enough in CQC, and it becomes even more serious if it is a long-range combat. In reality, If not ideal, the JLI is much more powerful with the help of utilities such as sprint, booby-trap, medic kits, and camo first strike bonus. This unit is obviously OP. There are often people who tell a biased story here, but in any sense, it's no denying that there is a problem with JLI. Interestingly, the JLI has a single weapon slot when it is repeatedly engaged with the USF, so a combination of BAR + JLI is often born. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Received Accuracy for OKW JLI and USF Pathfinder21 Feb 2019, 06:44 AM JLI has everything for Long-range combat specialist. can camo can sprint can booby can snipe under 75% health insane target size sick of this balance In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What do you think about Road to Kharkov in 1v1?12 Feb 2019, 07:25 AM Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2019, 23:54 PMTobis It's just too thin. Once you get past the early game and the enemy has multiple mgs flanking becomes impossible unless the enemy fucks up. Totally agreed. so many maps are too thin to flank. I really don't know why relic make like this. In: COH2 Balance