You are confusing warm with soft. Company of Heroes is a true historical game? No, this is a game based on WWII, was the Black Prince part of WWII? Not. There were no units in the game that did not participate in the war. If Company of Heroes were World of Tanks, you will get a ton of paper tanks. If you want the Black Prince in the game, please take Operation Unthinkable, it will be everything that has already happened in the war and a ton of all sorts of delicious tanks: ARL-44, BP, Centurion, IS-3, T-44, ZSU-37, etc. And everyone will be happy.
True, but I don't against seeing paper tanks, as long as they are properly balanced. Black Prince was designed in WWII, so IMO, it is part of WWII. |
Jagdtiger, Sturmtiger and Ostwind werent "prototypes".
A prototype is a test bed for a new weapon type.
The Sturmtiger was a planned vehicle for the urban combat.
It was produced in limited numbers because it was a so called "Schwerpunktwaffe" (weapon for special combat situations). The "Schwerpunktwaffen" were often build in smaller numbers because the german High command thought were only used not often and only by special circumstances.
The Ostwind was part of the Flakpanzer program of the Wehrmacht.
The Ostwind on PzIV was a regular concept. The low numbers were the result of the fact that the army had ordered small numbers and only a small number of factories were ordered to build it.
The Flakpanzer III Ostwind was a prototype At the end of the war a small batch of Flakpanzer III were build. It was ordered by the Artillery arm to defend the StuG units against air attacks. So the Pz III was chooses for spare part reasons.
The Jagdtiger was a "Schwerpunktwaffe" too and was planed to be build in small numbers. The self propelled gun should be assigned to special tasks so the army ordered small numbers because they wont need large numbers of the specialized Jagdtiger.
So basing from my point of view none of the 3 tanks were a "prototype" at all.
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Fair call, but so did the other Allies' phototypes. Or I should say, a lot of the things were also planned by the allies but never were built in the end because most of them were dropped during trials. Since I am not an expert on UK or US tanks, please don't quote me on that. But for the Soviets, there was a program in late 1939 and 1940 to create new replacements for all the categories of tanks in the army. KV was one of them, and a lot of the phototypes, despite not being given a name at the beginning, were all sent to the front and fought the battle. They were in the end classified as KV-1 in the end.
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The JT, Ostwind, and Sturm Tiger were all actually used during WWII though. That's the difference.
But they weren't marching through their territory, and they DIDN'T use their "phototypes"[sic].
You're just inventing alternate history at this point.
And you cant call any phototype not a phototype because they saw very limited action in the front.
This is a game, after all, not a historical documentary. If you would rather see a true reflection of history, made the Tiger have a 70% chance to have a sudden engine break down then.
Also, make ISU-152 able to one-shot everything. |
The JT, Ostwind, and Sturm Tiger were all actually used during WWII though. That's the difference.
But they weren't marching through their territory, and they DIDN'T use their "phototypes"[sic].
You're just inventing alternate history at this point.
Oh, come on, how many times do I have to say this? They were used because the Germans were desperate and needed everything they had to be on the front. You would be able to see IS-4, 5, or even 6 if the Germans were marching in the Soviet territory in 1945.
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How is this:
Jagdtiger: 70 produced, used from late 1944 to the end of the War, actually present at the Western Front
Sturmtiger: 18 built, used from late 1944 to the end of the War, actually present at the Western Front
Ostwind: 44 built, one prototype used during the battle of France, one platoon equipped with Ostwinds took part during Operation Southwind, also took part at the offensive at lake Balaton
for you the same as this:
Black Prince: 6 built, never used
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As what I said, "not just because the Allies were in German territory and the German was just desperately throwing away everything they had in their inventory, made those equipments "WWII themed" feasible."
You could see the actions of various allies' phototypes if the Germans were marching in their territory. |
Also there are lots of people that complain about Ostwind or Sturmtiger ...
not you guys |
No it doesn't. Stop bringing irrelevant ad Hominems into this discussion
I assume you have sources for those "official archives". Kv 4 did, as far as I know, not even enter prototype stage, also I can't find anything that is not World Of Tanks related about the so called T 150 or the Kv 3. And there was only one Su 100 Y ever built. It would make more sense than Black Prince since it apparently was at least used but still would be a joke if implemented
According to Wikipedia the 107 mm gun did have a penetration of 121 mm at point blank at 1.000 meters. That is far off from the Pak 44 and on par with a Panzer 4 that is using APCR rounds
And again ... only one SMK built. And what the garden does the Winter War have to do with the German-Russian Front ???
"Stop complaining so you get to see stuff that you don't want to see". Ah yes ...
Oh boy, another one who thinks they just learned a history lesson after playing a video game. Also, you just argue somebody else using Wiki as a source.
Here is a great article about T-150 (or object 150)
http://www.tankarchives.ca/2013/04/prototype-kvs.html
Also, I said, "according to some(not all) official archives," which means I can not guarantee if it was true.
Also, see the picture below. M-75 can penetrate 188 mm armor at 1000 meters. The one you mentioned is M-42, it is another 107mm gun, which has a shorter barrel.
Winter war was part of the Second World War. SMK and T-100's actions during the Winter War were very important in Tank research because their poor performances made the german granted fault intels about the future KV tank. I just think it is worth to be mentioned. And also, from your point of view, they also served in the war.
Now, if I did, in fact, misunderstood you. And you seriously do not want anything experimental or not properly fit the time frame in the game. Go out and start another post complaining about Ostwind being in the OST faction in COH2.I will then apologize |
Personally I'd like to see OKW's Flak-HT make a return.
Why do you want to so desperately make this an "Axis v Allies" argument? The various German (And soviet) vehicles were mentioned because they're the most obvious examples of vehicles that aren't really appropriate for the timeframe. Mentioning Axis tanks doesn't magically make the post some veiled "Actually I /do/ want these retarded prototypes" post.
Nobody is asking for the Maus. I have no clue why you have it in your head that people actually want the Maus in the game either.
Go back and read my post carefully. I am not saying just the phototypes, but almost all german newly implemented tanks in 1944 and 1945 in general.
Also, oh boy, this is for sure an "Axis v Allies" argument. Go back and read how many people are thinking it is fine to have JT, Ostwind, and Sturm Tiger in CoH2. |
Someone who has a uncle that works at lelic please tell me so. Would be a shame if CoH3 would feature tanks that weren't even used in WW2
Hey man, the fact that you mentioned way more german phototypes than the allies' just clearly indicated you won't even ever start a post like this if there was Maus added into the game rather than the Black Prince. Now hear this out, since no one mentioned the Russian vehicles, which I suspect will possibly add to the game later as DLC, the Soviets also have sent out a lot of experimental tanks desperately during the early stage of war in very small numbers. Su-100-Y fought in the Battle of Smolensk, so did a few T-150s, Kv-3s, and, according to some official archives, one Kv-4. Su-100-Y was the only one who survived the battle and served in a few minor roles later in Moscow(which make it on paper serve longer than the JT). Also, during that battle, if not earlier, few M-75 107mm heavy AT guns were sent to the battle for a somewhat last-ditch reason. If you do not know the gun, which I think you don't, it is the Soviet version Pak44(not the 43/41) but instead built in 1940. Besides, T-100 and SMK also saw service(yes, service, not battleground trail) in the Winter war.
Now here is the thing, not just because the Allies were in German territory and the German was just desperately throwing away everything they had in their inventory, made those equipments "WWII themed" feasible. The allies were also developing a lot of experimental equipment. They just did not have to put them out so quickly because there is no need to send out something that is unpolished( come on, man, more than 80% of Panthers and Tigers served during the battle of Kursk were lost due to not combat reasons).
That is being said, stop complaining, so you may be able to see Maus in this game in the future. |
Deeply, deeply appreciate all the hard works from you guys to make this happened. But I also find it to be quite disappointing since there is no server in Asia at all. |