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Thread: The recent Infantry Sections nerf10 Dec 2019, 03:18 AM Why are people suggesting endlessly tweaking Sections again? They're functional infantry at this point. What they need is a proper roster of basic tools to support them. You know, like a mortar. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ir Stg for stormtrooper instead of G43's9 Dec 2019, 19:24 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2019, 19:08 PMZeroZeroNi Mmmm... Panzergren g43's were only 25 munis before patch dude. Both storms and pg's use same g43's. The Storm ones were 60 munis. So for Pg's it's a nerf, It was definitely a buff for stormtroops. Cus the new and improved g43's are no where close to being 2.5x stronger. PGren G43s were 60 MU two patches ago. The New Commanders patch bumped PGren G43s down to 25 because they were a downgrade in most situations. The most recent patch buffed them and cranked their price back up. You're correct, that buff made the Stormtrooper G43s better than they were before. You're still probably better off putting them on PGrens though. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: ir Stg for stormtrooper instead of G43's9 Dec 2019, 18:49 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2019, 18:27 PMZeroZeroNi Yes,Then what's the point on the devs end to buff em. They strictly buffed em 1/2 patches ago to encourage jager upgrade to be utilized more on pg's and storms. The devs want players to use the jager upgrade on storms so your point is kinda invalid. They buffed the Panzergrenadier G43s because they were a 60 muni downgrade and they wanted them to be a viable option. If midrange firepower for Stormtroopers was a priority, why did they take away their StG option? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: ir Stg for stormtrooper instead of G43's9 Dec 2019, 18:04 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2019, 14:51 PMZeroZeroNi it's an ability flag m8, The ability itself doesn't specify that storms should get g43's but the g43's upgrade checks weather this flag is true or not. If abilities would strictly give upgrades then veteran squad leaders pg's would also get 5 men (which they don't). That's a poor understanding on your part on how the doctrinal upgrade mechanic works. All i'm asking is to change the g43 upgrade ability to IR stg upgrade ability. You're correct in that it's possible to make the G43 upgrade give IR StGs to Stormtroopers. But it'd be a weird unintuitive exception to how that ability works. Stormtroopers were redesigned into CQC ambush units because, as you pointed out, Ostheer already have a midrange assault unit: Panzergrenadiers. Stormtroopers are meant to equip the free MP40s. You can give them G43s if you also have that ability in your commander pick, but it's not playing into their strengths. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: The recent Infantry Sections nerf9 Dec 2019, 13:32 PM It's always the same story with UKF, over and over. The faction is incomplete, but has one or two deeply overpowered units it crutches hard on. The Balance Team of the day finds the OP crutch unit, correctly concludes it's OP, and nerfs it. Then the entire faction collapses for the next few months until the community finds another overpowered unit to crutch on. Relic's already accepted their 'incomplete factions with batshit powerful crutch units' experiment was an abject failure from their patches to USF and OKW. It's long past time UKF got the same treatment. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ir Stg for stormtrooper instead of G43's9 Dec 2019, 13:24 PM This question actually has a pretty simple answer. Stormtroopers don't get G43s. Not by default, anyway. The G43s come from the Jaeger Light Infantry ability, which gives Grens and PGrens the ability to upgrade with G43 rifles. They gave Stormtroopers the ability to equip them too because why not, but it's like putting BARs on a Ranger squad. The intention is that you upgrade MP40s instead. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: The most OP unit is the game drum roll is...8 Dec 2019, 15:39 PM Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2019, 05:02 AMCODGUY It's not going to ever change I realize that but I'd like to know the justification for this being a starting unit. It seems to me like it should be part of the same tech tree that the other support weapons are in like the mortar and sniper and Grens should be the starting unit. It used to be in T1. It got moved to T0 for two reasons. The first was release version USF. All the expansion factions were horrendously broken on release, and Ostheer needed the HMG42 at the front of their build order to stop the early Rifleman squads going straight for their cutoff and staying there. The second was strategic diversity: having the HMG42 in T0 allowed you to skip T1 altogether in favour of T2 rush strats. Ostheer T1 costs 80 MP 10 FU at the moment, so moving it back to T1 would be a pretty ineffectual change. Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2019, 05:02 AMCODGUY especially given the inordinate amount of crying about the Soviet Maxim which isn't nearly as good as the MG42 (even though it costs the same) and requires a specific tech to unlock. That's an issue of design rather than power level. The HMG42 is a defensive HMG: it covers a wide arc and has excellent suppression, but it repositions slowly. That means it always has to stay behind your troops, like a sniper. If it doesn't, you risk losing it. The Maxim was an aggressive HMG: a very narrow arc but quick setup time. That made it fairly useless in a defensive role, but if you A-Moved it could effectively act like a suppressing infantry squad. Maxim Spam was a top tier strategy and so unpleasant to play against that the Balance Team would rather leave the Maxim as an off-meta unit then ever risk it coming back. HMG42 Spam isn't a thing outside of low ranks where people can't handle HMGs in general. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How to Deal with SVT cons as Ostheer ? 7 Dec 2019, 22:39 PM Like Stormjager said, dropping SVTs means not upgrading flamers, planting mines, buying PTRS rifles or sticking a quad on an M3. If they get SVTs, exploit what they don't have. In: Strategy Desk
Thread: State of the Soviets5 Dec 2019, 13:36 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2019, 13:20 PMVipper Ok you don't seem to know what a "benchmark" is. The "Meter" or the Kgr is not an "absolute measurement" it is a arbitrary choice made and is express relatively to that choice. If the side of your house is 7 meter than it "relatively" 7 times bigger than a meter and if you weight 80 Kgrs you have "relatively" 80 times the mass of the Kgr And yes balance is "relative" to the benchmark. If ostheer is the used as the benchmark Soviet/USF/OKW are "OP", if Soviets are used as the benchmark all other factions are "UP". But Ostheer's power level isn't a static quantity. It's never been a static quantity. It's much easier to buff one faction than nerf three, and there's no benefit to the nerfing route. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: State of the Soviets5 Dec 2019, 12:41 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2019, 12:41 PMVipper At this point you are either trolling or unaware what a "benchmark" is. If you want to measure the side of your houses you do not change the "meter" so that the side of your house become it become "1". You're talking in absolute measurements. Balance is relative. In: COH2 Balance