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Thread: Pathfinder Nerfed?29 Sep 2022, 08:57 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Sep 2022, 01:52 AMdonofsandiego The only thing was I could have sworn that the site had the correct damage profile some time in the past. If it makes feel any better I think that this is one of the few if not the only weapon the site has gotten wrong. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: since we are adding prototype tanks in game28 Sep 2022, 16:50 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2022, 16:00 PMWilly Pete Where do u see this myth? I live in the US, very few ppl here are still under the impression that US is always the good guy Iraq war is a hilarious example, it literally proves the opposite. It is constantly cited as an example of our government completely abusing its authority. Has a very similar view to that of vietnam, waste of lives to accomplish the goals of a few assholes I live in Europe and it was part of Blair's argument in joining the war in Iraq. I even see it today in the papers for other wars and no I am not talking only about the USA. From Ancient times brutal acts of war have been "justified" by a noble causes like religion but in the last around 100 years "democracy" has been used as alibi for a number of wars including WWII. In: Lobby
Thread: since we are adding prototype tanks in game28 Sep 2022, 15:55 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2022, 14:45 PMVermillion_Hawk I don't think "evil Nazis" should lose every game, I do think that it's macabre in general to reduce this disgusting conflict to a game but that's a completely different issue altogether. I know that all sides produced prototypes that never saw action - you're not saying anything new. You're not actually responding to my point, you're reiterating your argument and accusing me of bias, something you loathe other people doing. The "question" I'm referring to is "is this unit 'authentic'?" when referring to things that should be included in the game, particularly when it comes to things which actually saw combat. The Sturmtiger is a great example of my point - it's a purpose-built machine for a very specific battlefield problem. The British made tons of those types of things, but the reason why the Sturmtiger was deployed on the battlefield, outside of its intended purpose, and why combat-ready units like the Meteor were deliberately kept out of combat, or why things like the Black Prince or Tortoise weren't produced and deployed was that the British weren't losing the war and didn't need them. The question of combat use is therefore biased in favour of German tech for the reasons I've stated. Hopefully that's clear enough for you. Compounding it is the mystique surrounding the Wehrmacht and their supposed wunderwaffen, something that the Company of Heroes series has gladly fed for sales and what the historical community has long debunked. Again, though, that's a completely different issue, albeit one which has effects in this arena. Glad to see that you agree that outcome of the war has no real bearing in the design of a game. And I have to guess that "reducing" any war in a game is macabre so that applies to most "violent" games. The "imperialistic army of the British empire" did have many designs (see Hobart's Funnies) some of which where used in combat and some of which never made it to the frontline. The "nazi Wehrmacht" also had a number of vehicles that also never made into battlefield. The question weather a unit was actually deployed in front line has no "bias" or "favor" and presence of more units does necessarily translate to advantage of the faction with more unit. In COH2: Ostheer have access to around 18 different vehicles UKF have access to around 14 different vehicles Soviet have access to around 14 different vehicles but the number of vehicle does not really "favor" of a faction. Relic has not promoted "wunderwaffen" it has created asymmetrical balance where axis faction in general get more expensive vehicles that perform better in order to balanced against cheaper more numerous units. That is historical accurate since in general the German army was fighting in inferior numbers. As for the "historical community" imo it should be more concern about debunking the myth that WWII was about democracy fighting totalitarian states (since the same myth is still being used today, see the Iraq invasion) than weather Sherman was a better tank than the Panther. In: Lobby
Thread: Penals have the worst mainline infantry target size28 Sep 2022, 14:24 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2022, 13:50 PMrumartinez89 I think they removed it back in 2017, they got one of the heaviest nerfs as they made several changes. Increased POP - makes sense Received ACC dropped to .85 - for the reinforcement cost, bad idea cheaper satchel VET3 - Useless Lost Oorah - seems to be overnerf if losing Target size, Oorah would help with picking engagement Lost flamethrower - makes sense, made them to strong Gained AT upgrade Overall it was a massive nerf that dropped them almost to irrelevancy. The worst part is the most recent infantry patch drops some ACC vet for REC ACC when they should have had it the entire time. I think most players would give up the cheaper Satchel and get the lost ACC back. This would help with scaling as Flames plus Oorah was the issue not SVT damage. That is not really accurate. Penal got a massive buff when they had the far DPS almost doubled and with changes to flamers. For 6 months they where completely broken since they had the broken ourah/flamer combination and people did not even bothered to tech since they could simply call in no tech tanks. The Soviets enjoyed some of the highest win-rates during those days. As for target size as far as I can see there was no nerf on contrary there was a buff at vet 2 bonus on the cost of an accuracy nerf. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pathfinder Nerfed?28 Sep 2022, 13:28 PM If i am not mistaken and the tools are updated for this weapon: Correct weapon: pathfinder_m1garand_scope_mp DPS at 0/10/20/30 1.8/2.2/2.5/3.3 Accuracy at near/mid/far 34.50%/57.50%/92% Plus the weapon has extra accuracy vs snipers In: COH2 Balance
Thread: since we are adding prototype tanks in game28 Sep 2022, 10:51 AM I am not sure why people are obsessing with the V1 rocket. V1's where used in the war as "terror" weapons and they appeared in COH1. Developers tried to adapt the weapon as much as they could in the game and created a "terror" weapon with a pretty long warning so the weapon was not very easy to be use tactically vs moving units. The weapon was better used vs static targets. There is was very little wrong with with including the weapon or how it was implemented (other that it could be used in base sector and cause massive carnage if time correctly on retreat). In: Lobby
Thread: Pathfinder Nerfed?28 Sep 2022, 06:34 AM Pathfinder use to weapons: the paratroopers Carbines (which a medium oriented) the scoped carbine Serelia has the wrong profile for the scoped carbine since that weapon has a reverse profile similar to LMG. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: since we are adding prototype tanks in game28 Sep 2022, 06:27 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2022, 22:36 PMSwitzerland Topic has everything to do with balance and gameplay, they want to add it for both purposes. I’d personally have preferred a game focusing on light and mediums and hopefully it doesn’t turn into a bunch of dlc packs adding more and more heavies. No it does not, the topic is about prototype units that saw no action being introduced in the franchise. Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2022, 22:36 PMSwitzerland However in the event it does I hope it’s as it is currently BP is allied heavy and the tiger axis. It is important to have that balance as it’s clear relic have been designing their product around it. The Franchise has used asymmetrical balance and has proven that one can achieve balance even if not all factions get the same toys. If you concern is purely balance there is very little reason to push specifically for the black prince since there are other units that could act as allied heavy tanks. The questions who won the war and who was "evil" and who was "benevolent" are really irrelevant here. In: Lobby
Thread: since we are adding prototype tanks in game28 Sep 2022, 06:21 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2022, 21:53 PMVermillion_Hawk Where did I say I would have a problem with the Maus? I wouldn't, really, if it were balanced and fun to use, the only criteria by which I would judge pretty much any unit's inclusion within reason. The issue is Axis and Allies though, because the category of "authentic" units or units which only saw combat is heavily weighted in favour of the Nazis, purely because they lost the war and in their last desperate years they were more than willing to throw literally everything that could move at the frontlines. No it is simply not "heavily in favor of the nazis". All sides made prototype units that saw no action and units that did see action (even if produced in limited numbers.) There is no "favor" here. The question here is weather such prototype units should be included in the game or not. Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2022, 21:53 PMVermillion_Hawk The question itself is biased. I am not sure which question is biased but I find the fact that you are talking about nazis and losing the war interesting. COH franchise is basically a game ,now if you are suggesting that because it is based in WWII that the "evil nazis" should lose every game, I have to point out that people would simply not play such a game. In: Lobby
Thread: since we are adding prototype tanks in game27 Sep 2022, 21:38 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2022, 19:22 PMSwitzerland I don’t see many people doing that, as has been brought up by multiple people now it has been the German factions that have benefitted greatly from slanted takes on authenticity, historical accuracy whatever label you want to put on it plain fiction. You are talking about balance in topic that has little to do with balance. Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2022, 19:22 PMSwitzerland If we can’t have the discussion on the acknowledgment that this occurred I do hold my point that it seems more like Gatekeeping of relics product direction that didn’t occur for questionable axis inclusions. Bergetigers weren’t some magical unit that made all wrecks brand new again and that will pretty poorly represent the axis tank availability in the desert, and yet for a fun game they’re adding it to the franchise a second time. We have an ability with involves invincible JU87s, I mean that’s kinda easy to call fiction We have stock king tigers We have a luftwaffe that can make great difference on the field post Bodenplatte, and if we can’t acknowledge the memoirs of their own commanders saying it was the end of their strategic ability to influence any further battles I’d call That fiction too. Again all of these decisions added up to the board room meetings relic had “How do we attract people to our product” not “authenticity” not fact, we got a fun historical fiction as breaking your panther by moving, constructing purpose bridges to cross your jagdtigers wouldn’t be fun. I think it’s nice to see that there are more than afew folk in the camp that it’s eyebrow raising that this seems like the sky is falling to some and an outrageous fiction when the game more than slanted many axis abilities for the sake of fun. Hopefully relic does the right thing and either launches with it to prevent balance issues or at most models a smaller gun but retains the potency. Just listening blindly to the tailored ideas I’ve seen here suggests remove it and have this myth of German superiority in all fields. You are talking about game play in topic that has little to do with topic. If what you claim as authentic was put in the game, axis should be wining all game up to 1942-43 and lose on the game after that but none would want to play a game like that... In: Lobby