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They're badly designed. Too much DPS that wipes team weapons with no time to react, too little redeeming qualities compared to Obersoldaten. They should be cheaper but need to upgrade for FG42. |
 Everytime I play USF I have a vetted jackson. I simply get a early scott or sherman vet them up and change the vehicle crews. USF don't have problems to get a vetted Jackson. If you never done that in 700 hours of gameplay I suggest to play the game more, watch replays & casts and stop doing pointless balance threads.
You can do that. I have not seen anyone do that and I don't play USF much. Anyway this has nothing to do with USF, it has everything to do with how Panther is an easy mode A-move crutch that has the best traits among its class. Its only shortcoming, same DPS as a T34 is made up by how it never fails to penetrate most Allied vehicles. |
They dont pick it that often because LMG's are the better option 70% of the time, because of map design. But both options are very viable and i wouldnt change it at all.
That is a valid opinion and the thread is to find the consensus. So far people seem to agree with you. |
It's the most expensive medium vehicle in game. It should outperform any medium, which it doesn't at it's current state. And in 1vs1 it's not affordable at all.
@FaustCostBulletin: Have you tried playing any other game mode aside from your own mini mod and comp stomp?
I love how you made an account to bash me. Of course, I do not even play comstomp and I played my minimod with some pretty good players, alongside automatch which I still do play
What medium does it absolutely not eradicate, we are talking about not even tank destroyers being able to stand up to it. |
Please master of calculation, show me a formula of "effective dps" how you claim it. A Vet 3 Jackson with Armour piercing rounds has 100 % to penetrate a Tiger and likewise an SU85 fires with a high rate that makes penetration values negligible.
Veterancy. Abilities. Most Jacksons on the field won't live to see Vet 3 if they simply don't penetrate. I have never seen in 700 hours a Vet 3 Jackson slaying Tigers or Panthers all that happened was that Tiger or Panther simply backed off with Blitz and or smoke. SU 85 on average requires 8 shots to destroy a Panther at maximum range, Panther kills it in 3. Jackson requires 6, Panther kills it in 3. And not to mention that is RNG when there is no RNG for Panther, only sure penetration. |
Great, I love how balance discutions are going on around here especially the ones directed towards Ostheer. So what Ostheer have right now? An untouchable T4 with questionable units besides the Panther which is to expensive. Meanwhile we accuse the "Tiger call in meta".
Solution: make tiger weakest heavy tank (done), but wait, there is still a way for ostheer to resist - we have the Panther and it's too efective! Nurf Panther and let Ostheer without solutions, fucking nazi bastards they deserved it!
Result => Startgame - Ostheer sucks. Middle game - Ostheer sucks. Late game - Ostheer what? Sucks, of course, what else? 
Nerf Panther, buff other things if we find Ostheer is underpowered. Why would you support Ostheer sucking and then depending on an overperforming easy to use too little risk and too much reward tank OR their call in heavy tank if you love Ostheer so much, you should be supporting a Panther nerf and a buff to other things as right now Panther just kills any grounds an Ostheer player may have to ask for a buff. If you love Ostheer so much stop whining with abandon whenever someone rightfully points out something is not right with them. Ostheer is my favourite faction too but you would never see me defending an OP aspect of it like a rabid fanboy in denial. |
Thompsons have the highest close range dps in the game... and you want more?
Obviously not. The point of the thread is to investigate why people do not pick it often. |
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The Panther was widely considered UP after it's double nerf last year (cost increase 145 -> 175, less armour & health).
The job of a panther is to destroy tanks and it does so at a premium cost.
OP is delusional to claim it's "too cheap" for what it does without providing any calculations. I hate when people use words like "price efficiency" , without providing any formulas or calculations, basically trying to lift their subjective feelings into a scientific sphere.
Also, funny to see how OP fails to mention that panther has less DPS than an SU 85 & Jackson
I like a balanced game, but I absolutely hate if units get nerfed so hard that they don't get used anymore. It was this case with the panther and I guess OP is just a new player and therefore doesn't know the old days.
Another indicator that shows the panther is fine: It's not a no brainer and the must choice for every game, like it was back then with 100 range ISU. Basically every game ISU vs Elefant.
If I am delusional, then you are blind. I gave you my numbers. Panther creams everything that could be considered an equal. Also Panther's effective DPS is the highest among all of its peers because it's a sure penetration on almost every Allied vehicle. If you can not grasp that you are the delusional one. |
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Nope, I'll just be more inclined to go play another game instead of automatch when waiting for players to play my minimod is taking too long and my friends start getting impatient/ |
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