Paratrooper Thompson

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 23:29 PMAlexzandvar

I didn't say they were equivalent; only that they both have PPsH.

Assault Guards have better DPS close and mid range than regular guards, but not at long range thanks to DP's.

No idea why this statement is so triggering, I don't personally use Lend Lease often at all but acting like Assault Guards SVT's don't give them a mid range edge and PPsH's a close range edge is silly.

But please continue to say the opposite of what I actually said.

EDIT: And Again I'm not saying saying Ass Guards are very good at all, merely that they aren't total garbage like several people have implied.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 05:07 AMQueenRatchet123

I dont agree with this thread at all

3 rifles fighing in the center on a map like semoisky

with paras flanking around the side it deadly

i wiped 2 obers with one para squad once

I would like to see an armor buff come with the thomsons

they get forced away easily when focused

I have 3 cost reduction bullitens

thomsons cost 77 muni very deadly

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 14:16 PMCookiezNcreem

Much flank
many focus Fire
most deadly

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 07:52 AMAustralian Magic

1. They have slighly better close dps cause of ppsh (8-10dps higher at 0-6range) but from 10, Guards (without DP) are better than Assault Guards so how Asssault Guards can be better at mid range?


2. You said they are excellent

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 14:51 PMGlendizzle

My favorite para tactic is to have 2 paras w/ lmg do the main assault and one Thompson paras come in on a flank and hopefully the wipe. I think the Thompsons are fine but that lmg are too effective. The grenadiers with a single one are fine. Obersoldaten are crazy. Double lmg rifles are crazy too. Paras with lmg and vet 2-3 are nuts as well. I don't know a solution without ruining lmg entirely.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 14:54 PMAlexzandvar

excellent =/= not total garbage.

Assault Guards would see more use if they were in a better doctrine, but as of now they are lack luster which doesn't help lend lease at all.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 14:54 PMAlexzandvar

excellent =/= not total garbage.

Assault Guards would see more use if they were in a better doctrine, but as of now they are lack luster which doesn't help lend lease at all.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 18:16 PMAlexzandvar

Conscripts do exist late game, having an AT snare around is always extremely helpful, as is the ability to crew and reinforce weapon teams on the fly.

I agree that Cons need a better late game help instead of the PPsH but Shocks and Assault Guards are excellent.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 14:57 PMKatitof

At least allied LMGs are locked behind doctrines.
Against axis you'll inevitable get to the point where LMGs drop your models before you'll get in effective range, its specifically bad for soviets as conscripts are pretty much AT nades on legs that can cap in late game, USF can at least respond with paras or M1919 but still need to pay a hefty muni cost for that, premium cost compared to what ost or OKW pay.

No, they wouldn't, because they have no utility, no scalability, no survivability and no role that wouldn't be filled already by better performing troop or by more universal one for much lesser cost. Unless they suddenly became 0CP call-in, there is no reason to ever get them and the only reason you get them with lend lease doctrine is because you want M5 and went T4.

They are garbage no matter how you want to spin it. They have even less value then irregulars.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 15:50 PMKatitof

"Only 11% less received accuracy"

Are we really having this discussion? Are you that much detached from actual gameplay? Have you used them at least ONCE?

You are aware that we're talking CQC unit with zero mid/long range potential?
And inb4 you'll start defending them, check penal and shock dps curves, cut them in half and put them together into one. See how awesome they are.

Unit with low survivability(it can have 10 men, it will still have low survivability because of no REC ACC modifiers, no armor, no smoke and no sprint) and low dps is a BAD unit.

Ass grens are much better and scale actually like assault troop needs to.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 14:44 PMQueenRatchet123

for 77 muni

its defiantly the most cost effective infantry upgrade in-game

Flanking paras will cause mass retreats and win games

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2015, 00:36 AMJHeartless

I think Paras with Thompsons are the right risk vs reward. More units should follow this type of Model.

Where there is actual RISK in the equation. Most other units/vehicles/buildings are more reward than risk.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2015, 10:06 AMdasheepeh

Thompsons have the highest close range dps in the game... and you want more?

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2015, 10:07 AMFaustCostBulletin

Obviously not. The point of the thread is to investigate why people do not pick it often.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2015, 10:07 AMFaustCostBulletin

Obviously not. The point of the thread is to investigate why people do not pick it often.