No offense, but that has been proposed many times and is already implemented in several balance mods. Relic said they won't do this unless they redesign the soviet faction, since they are so call in dependent.
Which they should. Soviets are not unsalvagable. |
Is too dam' effective for its cost right now
Pretty much. |
Since OKW is already breaking the prime directive by fighting the Allies with future tech I figured we might as well have the good stuff.
Flakpanzer Kugelblitz
The last of the Flakpanzer IV series, Kugelblitz had a pair of high velocity cannons with optional APCR shells. Five were built. In game it would be an effective multirole vehicle with the capability of firing high penetration shots temporarily, performing well against Medium Tanks and anything smaller. Great and versatile armament, poor anti heavy armor performance and high fuel cost.
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vet2 panther with armor buff could use some treaking
in all honesty , the amount of fuel an MP it takes Ost to get to one
It damn whell better be good.
In contrast i think the OKW panther shouldnt be better since it comes alot sooner
As I mentioned in the OP, the amount of fuel it takes to get a Panther is quite tame. It's MP that is unfair. |
Unless you are very good at using it, otherwise it just give frustration, that's my opinion.
Anyway, you will get your dream coming true, this shit gonna be nerfed, you happy now? Purpose of this thread had been done.
Depends on how they are going to nerf it. What's the change? |
Why don't you trying to use it first instead of those stupid value A > B so it is better? You are claiming a very obvious false argument.
I use it all the time, I used to face it very often until I just stopped playing Allies as much. I do think it is overpowered. Who's making the fallacy here, assuming I never even tried it? |
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What's so bad about Panther's DPS? It's a sure penetration on almost every Allied vehicle, pretty sure its effective DPS is superior to SU-85/Jackson/Easy Eight/T-34-85
I mean its raw DPS is the same as T-34/85 to begin with, slightly better in fact. |
Unlike the allied medium tanks, panthers need to be used incredibly defensively in order to keep them alive. Think about the power spike when a double t34/85 call in hits the field; its almost always accompanied by a major Soviet push. The panther doesn't give that same benefit. For ostheer especially it only comes out by the time the faction is on the defensive against heavy/numerous enemy vehicles. Then it's still an uphill battle.
I'd agree that it may be too cheap for OKW considering their cheaper/more beneficial teching, but the unit itself is fine. Both E8s and 34/85s require 0 tech which makes them easily spammable. Personally in 1v1s I very rarely (read: literally never) see panthers and I can't recall ever having particular trouble beating them.
As I said: Call-in meta issue. T-34/85 shouldn't be a doctrinal unit and everything else should be tied to teching as well as CPs. |
Oh the shitstorm...
As I said, it seems that your problem is not the panther, but it is the Allied AT power. Aside from Blitz, Panther is fine. It comes late (some argues for OKW here though) and it's expensive.
Nerfing panther will not solve any major issues, because Allied, specially USF, will still have problems dealing with other heavies. You keep comparing Panther to tanks like T34/85 or Jackson, and you want to imply that Panther is superior. But the thing is, Jackson and SU85 need changes to be able to counter Axis heavies. Either that, or all axis heavies need major nerfs. I'm a fan of buffing Jackson and SU85.
Yes but if you give Allies more penetration in general, armor advantages of units like Panzer IV and Jagdpanzer IV will be trivialized. The problem is Panther and then the bigger tanks slightly less so, why indirectly nerf all Axis tanks? I think it would be healthy for the game if we saw more of StuG and Panzer IV and less of early Panther. And then Elefant would have a reason to be used; your more flexible vehicles wouldn't actually be too good against enemy armor without being easily removed themselves. |
And T-34 can squad wipe, usually come with mark target, and no teching cost, I would take guard motor everyday instead of pathetic Panther.
Panther starts to be good after vet 2, totally a shit before.
Mark Target is a pretty good but avoidable ability. And I would understand your preference (hey, nobody said T-34/85 wasn't great especially with Mark Target support and how early the call-in mechanic can bring it into the game), but isn't saying that Panther is shit a bit of an exaggeration? I mean the stats are out there; there is nothing subjective about how it isn't the best dedicated AT vehicle per cost in almost every way. |
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