you mean this?
Churchill Croc/AVRE : 290
Churchill : 240
Comet: 290
Pershing: 270
IS2: 375
ISU152: 340
KV1: 270
KV2: 300
KV8: 260
vs
Brumbar front/side armor 240, vet 288
Panther front/side armor 260, vet 286
Tiger front/side armor: 300
well youve ignored a large number of axis armor
KT 375
ele 400
JT 525
JP4 230
youve also posted penetration data that did not support your claim of wehrmacht having weaker penetration...
the panther is tied with the jackson in terms of penetration
Panther: 260/240/220
Jackson: 260/240/220
SU85: 240/230/220
FF: 260/240/210
Well - what about rate of fire, target aquistion connected with turret rotation speed, accuracy, damage on deflection, range, etc. I understand he posted stuff based on his "feel" of the game. It is pretty normal not being able to desribe it. What he probably meant is the situation when you take into account all the factors. The result will probably be that panther is not as fearsome as it seems to be and does not stand up to the myth that is is so good. Basically all the buffs to allied tanks and reductions to axis (especially) ost tanks mean that all of them are really comparable. Yet, wehen you include the price/value parameters often the higher price of a panther and other axis vehicles might not be justified. They just perform not much better to cheaper tanks. Tbh often they are not that siginficantly worse in real combat situations considering their price and tech requirements. Especially, when you look at how powerful they can be against tanks and infantry, and how many extra abilities they have.
youre also ignoring AT gun penetration... where OST is tied with UKF
Pak40: 210/200/190
6pdr: 210/200/190
Zis-3: 200/190/180
rak43: 200/190/180
57mm: 150/140/130
and you are ignoring rate of fire and gun's arcs as well as how durable their crew is. Pak is only marginally better (which means almost nothing in a real game scenario - 10 more penetration - ridiculous), while othe at guns have wider arcs of fire and often higher rate of fire.
and of course medium penetration... where OST has the highest long range penetration and decent midrange penetration...
crom: 135/120/105
M4: 140/120/100
P4: 125/115/110
T-34: 120/100/80
and again the differences are too tiny to be significant. Rate of fire, speed, turret riotation will be more important here. Again the price of p4 might not be justified here, the price of a panther might also be just too high.
and infantry AT... where OST/OKW win outright
panzerschreck: 180/170/160
bazooka: 130/120/110
PIAT: 130/116/110
PTRS: 100/85/70
...and again that is forgetting too many "details" on your part. Rate of fire is higher on the bazooka and and ptrs, there are different stats for bazookas on elite squads. Also you are ignoring the fact that accuracy is worse on shrecks, and that you can only equip the most expensive inf squads with them, while allies get many more squads with those hand held at options, so the density of them will be much higher. They also deal dmg even on deflection, etc. You are not drawing the full picture here. Think of satchels, for exaple that prevent dives to get those long range units.
i can humiliate you further by delving deeper into armor comparisons aswell... but the amount of information might overwhelm your insignificant mind...
substandard penetration my arse... caps my arse... stfu and l2p
that is just impolite, please be polite to your game commrades