Profile of general_gawain

I took a long break from this game and got back to playing it a few months ago. I was maining the armor company pretty hard because of the m10s. I think they had/have a big flank damage boost if you hit something which is where their utility comes from. Was this nerfed?

No it never had such a bonus. It just has Flanking Speed at Vet0 nowadays (it was Vet1 once) which gives it speed, accleration and -25% received acc plus the low moving acc penalty that all AEF tanks have and the britisch M10 (Achilles) has too. Since turret rotation doesn't get buffed by the ability it is pretty useless as a flanking tank. Far too slow turret rotation. Add the HVAP Vet1 ability which gives you penetration at a level a flanking tank wouldn't need, add the 50 range, the low hp, low armor and big target size and you get a tank that just shouldn't flank.

Main combat role: Use it as the small brother of your 60 range TD, keep at your frontline. Use HVAP and Flanking Speed to get badly hurt tanks before thy can withdraw.

The problem: StuG G is way better at that. While M10 hits Stug with a chance of 51% at long range, StuG G hits M10 at 88%. This is because of less accuracy and way bigger target size (22 to 17). You don't want a head to head battle. If you only had a decent flanking tank...

The solution: Just buy the 60 range TDs as always. For flanking with brits you should take Cromwell, it is better now after the patch. Best flanking tank of AEF is the 76mm with normal rounds if you ask me. If you get around enemy tanks you will burst out damage really fast while you are able to smoke PAK-walls.


If M10/Achilles should be a decent flanking tank:
- lower range to 40
- buff midrange accuracy
- drastically reduce target size to StuG level(this is not about realism, but balance)
- raise turret rotation speed ( it doesn't matter if it was hand winded)
- raise turret rotation with Flanking Speed ability even more so that it keeps up with greater speed


In addition I really would appreciate if infantry used snares would have a chance to miss that is based on target size/received acc. It is ridiculous that you get hit by a shrek lets say by only 50% because you are small and driving at crazy speed while a Faust still hits you automatically. Even driving around hard cover with your great speed doesn't help. A snared flanking tank is a dead flanking tank. Alternatively you could give units with Flanking speed abilities a short immunity versus snares. Some smoke ability would be the last option to get survivability. Just some thoughts.

Imo the change need to take a look to more commander especially utilizing the stat on commanders load out:

For instance urban assault that has calliope available is picked consistently more the tactical support across all mods and maps indicating that simply bring too much to the table and should adjusted.

Same goes for Airborne over Reckon that probably has to to with bundled Paras which mate it more difficult to field.

One should also be careful buffing very popular commander like UKF mobile assault regiment that is already one of the top preference in load out strangely across all modes

One thing to keep in mind by doing this: Factions with more holes in their roster should be allowed to stuff more holes with commander pick.

It would be better of course if the biggest holes of all factions would be stuffed nondoctrinal. Brits are the best example what happens if you have no mobile artillery piece at all. Mobile Assault or Royal Artillery Regiment get picked pretty much every multiplayer game because they have those missing artillery pieces.

I know the dev team doesn't want it, but the biggest change for UKF-commander pick would be a nondoctrinal land mattress. You would see a lot more of the other commander choices suddenly.

First we have to divide all numbers by three since you put three commanders in your loadout. Then we can see a trend. For 2v2 I would guess the Jaeger doctrine gets picked less than the stats make us believe. For 3vs3 and 4vs4 I do think its even worse. If playing allied you see an Ele pretty much every game, sometimes even two of them. If we play axis we usually pick one Ele in the team.

I do think the doctrine is no way less potent as it was with Stuka Dive Bomb. Only the targets changed. You now have to have constantly half an eye at your Katjusha/M8A1/Priest/Sexton since they Ju-87 is way more spammable and comes in very fast if the edge of the map is close. Often this results in less time to react in comparison to Stuka Dive Bomb.

In addition it can help fo finish snared tanks sinks it penetrates each allied tank from every direction as it seems. It only cost 110 MU intead of the 200 MU for Stuka Dive Bomb. Doctrine is still a combo of killing tanks at front and indirect fire units at back, but the mobile ones.

Since we go for static howitzers in maybe 1 of 10 games but mobile indirect fire in every game I find that way more annyoing.

A Greyhound with canister and 50cal at a Stuart timing is going to be very scary...

Canister shot is a munition trap. The performance is so weak for its price. I tried it mutiple times versus multiple blobbed squads in cheat mode and the outcome is pretty disillusioning. Take into account what a high risk you are taking by diving in. The range is so short that the targeted unit itself can snare you. Very situational ability. Better upgrading Bars, throwing grenades and upgrading 50.cal for M8 itself. Recon is such a munition hungry company. You will need the munition for airdrop of Reserve Paradrop with howitzer and weapon upgrade plus suppression ability for Paratroops too. Reserve Paras can lay regular mines in addition, a single well placed mine can be so much of a game changer. Do not waste your munition for canister shot.

After playing around with E8 in different situations I do thing the new „buff“ only makes it worse. E8 gets pushed back even more giving it less combat time. Lets compare it to M4A3/M36 combo.
First point value is for M4A3/M36, second one for E8s.

1:0 M4A3 comes out 40 fuel earlier, has a lot of time to bleed german infantry and to help fend off german T3 with combined arms

2:1 E8 comes out and can fight a PZIV on its own, still it is a draw because already vetted M4A3 does a great job at bleeding infantry and supporting versus tanks while E8 lacks in the AI compartement

3:1 Jackson comes out 50 fuel before second E8 and gives you a long time where you are way better at AI and AT than you would be with a single E8

4:2 Second E8 comes out, it’s a draw again. Double E8s are great at defeating mediums, still M36 has the better perspective for fighting first Panther and upcoming heavies while M4A3 should bleed axis infantry as always and even can help versus Panther if it tries to dive in for M36 and exposes its flank by doing so (or it can shut down infantry supporting the push).

(5:2) If you go for long term games especially in bigger game modes. One M4A3 with a pair of M36 is just plain better than three E8s in pretty much every late game combat situation I can imagine. The 60 range and HVAP is key here versus armored targets, HE-Shot versus blobs.

We have to keep in mind:
- M4A3/M36 combo is 250 fuel to 300 fuel for double E8
- E8 company locks out other doctrinal units and is especially bad in terms of indirect fire

Revert the change please, it is not really needed for medium fights and doesn’t make E8 somehow better versus Panther/Tiger. It just makes the discrepancy in timing and cost efficiency even worse.

Either…
give E8 small buffs that don’t lead to fuel increasement. Think about other methods to make Rifle Company more worthwile. Exchange commander abilities and/or give E8 a skill shot for a munition cost without raising fuel.

Or…
make E8 a real medium premium tank by raising its price to something about 180 fuel and raise its performance accordingly.