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All games since July considered, USF not even 3.5% off of 50%. I wouldn't call that abysemal but well...

To the point: I assume since USF performs well in 1v1 and 2v2, a buff should alsp come with a nerf. There will be more M20s in 1v1, on the other hand the major will also be used more often at the front line and not as an FRP. Plus, munis are not as scarce in team games, allowing more recon overflights. As you said, a rather minor buff but (without testing) I'd say it should probably come with a minor nerf too

On 1v1 and 2vs2 the top company at loadout is Airborne. I assume it will be picked quite often. Its my favorite USF commander too across all game modes.

Major sight buff gives absolutely nothing to Airborne since Pathfinders will be always way better for that task (same for Recon but that one gets way less picked).

To be honest: I don't think major buff will be anyhow visible in stats more than 0,1% to 0,2%

this is a completely biased thread. u did not mention AVRE got a turret anywhere in ur comparison (please correct if i am wrong, but i didnt see any mention of the turret)...and y dont i see threads about nerf AVRE??? forum is completely ally biased.

Avre was mentioned various times in this thread beeing similar in wiping quality to ST, just not by op. Even its turret was mentioned as an advantage to be more responsive and to aim faster(->MMX). So your claims hold little water, various people pointed out that the Avre should be handled the same. Just stop your "biased" call-outs, the forum is able to talk about both sides. Its just your perception.

rifle nad also need to deal with larger squad sizes...

That was only true for Vanilla. Counting in doctrinal units you have squad sizes from 4-6, at every faction with the exception of UKF which have no 6 man squads that come to my mind and Soviet that can have a 7th man at concsripts but trades for that by having no weapon slot for additional weaponary. 6-man G43 PFs are very popular atm for example while Brits start with 4-man-squads until researching Bolster. UKF/USF factions have only 4-man-support weapons (MG/AT-Gun/mortar) in addition.

Its a relict from a time where 4-man-Ostheer squads + support-weapons fought versus 6-man-Soviet squads and support weapons.

Edit: I do think Gren Rifle Nade ist the best HE-grenade in the game along with the grenades of Pz-Grens and Commandos (which is the same if I'm right). Especially vs UKF which need cover and use every yellow piece they can get. There you could do much damage or at least seperate them from their cover.

Agree on the CP's, set both to match the weapondrop from Ostruppen doctrine.

No, the weapondrops from Ostruppen and UKF should come later. Reason: They give additional benefits.

At Ostruppen for example you get not only two weapons for 325MP, but 10FU and 25MU in addition. If you convert the gained FU in a ratio of maybe 1:4 and MU in a ratio of maybe 1:2 into manpower you'll see how dirt cheap this weapon drop really is. Each wepaon only costs about 120 Manpower without any further costs. Manned with pioneers it is cheaper than to build it.
UKF weapon drop is harder to calculate because i don't know what to calculate for each of the three medical crates. But it is still a better bundle than USF one of course and gives you a mobile mortar on top (okay this is just a solution for an artifical and selfmade problem).

The issue isn't that Stormjager isn't wrong, just that the reasoning points to a more fundamental issue.

Yeah the fundamental issue is the artifical tech tree of USF. You have to decide between mainline units at teching, leaving some of them out unless you go for a backtech. Mainline units should always be in a linar tech with sidetechs for situational/optional units and situational/optional abilities.
UKF is a good example for a linear tech with many sidetech decisions and an endtech decision.

M1 57mm ATGun – drop: 3CPs / 125MP / 60MU
50.cal HMG - drop: 2CPs / 125MP / 50MU

I wonder about this two abilities. This is not about replacing them because the other Airborne abilities are quite good and the commander gets picked often. But still this abilities are strangely implemented and need some tweaking.

1) The advantages
First of all they give you nothing new, but the ability to get both if you go for either Captain or LT with the additional tech in that tier.
Secondly they give you the ability to drop them near the front where you might need them.

First advantage is only worth it at all because USF tech is just artificial constructed, second advantage is situational since you need Echelons and Ambulance nearby if you want to use your dropped weapons somehow cost effective. Otherwise it is only a last measure to get an AT-Gun fast if you made the mistake of having no AT countermeasures at the time you should have it already.


2) The timing
Overall stock USF team weapons come pretty late (with exception of mortar), but MG and AT-Gun have the same timing. Not so at the drops, there it is 2 CPs and 3 CPs.
Imo it looks rather odd and artificial, that you have the MG/AT-Gun combo earlier if going for Captain instead of going for LT.


3) The costs
They cost you 125 MP and 50MU respectively 60MU at the allied faction that is the most mun starved of all three. Fully crewed it costs you between 217MP and 245MP and 50MU / 60MU and watch out for that reinforcement costs if you crew with units that have 30MP reinforcement cost. Overall they are just way more expensive than building them. 60MU for AT-Gun hurts especially since this thing will consume more MU on a regular basis.

Compare it with UKF Air Supply Operation or Ostheer Supply Drop, both give you two weapon drops plus either medicaments or FU/MU for a way fairer price.
Compare it with Soviet DShK HMG drop for a very similar price which gives the option of playing T1 with MG plus adding a new unit to the Soviet roster (superior to maxim). On top of that Soviets are the least mun starved allied faction and you have cheaper engineers for crewing.


4) The conclusion: I do think both drops should be at the same timing at 2 CPs and both drops need a MU price reduction or at least a shift from MU cost to MP cost to reflect the high MU dependence of USF forces. At the timing of 2 or 3 CPs you need that Bars, grenades, smoke grenades and one or two zooks instead, maybe even saving up some MU for first LMG Airborne squad. You just don't have 50 / 60 Mu to spare.