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Thread: Penals Adjustment4 Apr 2016, 21:57 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 21:06 PMGlokta Congrats on the u turn. I doubt the dps difference due to near being 6 rather then 3 makes much difference but if the whole rifle profile is used but dropped 15% or so it should workout. Never made a U turn... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Penals Adjustment4 Apr 2016, 18:39 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 17:40 PMGlokta Facts say no. Look it up, got the graphs in front of me and all the other semi autos have higher 35 dps compared to 0. You can say otherwise but you'd be incorrect. One can have more DPS at 35 than at 0 either by increasing far or by decreasing close or by changing both. In this case close should be decreased and far increased...and that is what I proposed... once more if it is a weapon profile issue pls move it to thread "weapon profiles" as you can from penal squad to riflemen ratio: Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2016, 08:22 AMMyself It even has more DPS than a riflemen squad at some ranges... 106%(0) 123%(5) 109%(10) 84%(15) 74%(20) 67%(25) 62%(30) 56%(35) too much dps up to range 10 too little from 25 and on In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Penals Adjustment4 Apr 2016, 16:32 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 16:19 PMGlokta And Penals DPS dropoff is way bigger then all the other semi autos / Carbines profiles, guess thats why Penals suck. Must be a typo, Lelic should match the dps curve to the correct profile and buff the long range dps by 70%. Once more the SVT is curve is wrong but it is wrong and in both ends...It is to high close not enough mid and too low far... If it is weapon profile issue pls move it in the new thread created... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Idea for Penals4 Apr 2016, 15:19 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 14:48 PMKatitof Specialization in... Why quote 5 questions if you are not going to answer any of them? Pls read understand respond... Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 14:48 PMKatitof 2 out of 3 semi autos are good at long range. Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 14:48 PMKatitof The ONLY difference being stock semi autos deal 8 dmg while stock rifles deal 16, making semi autos less bursty and RNG dependend* But according to you there is not profile for the "semi auto" group Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 08:41 AMKatitof There is no such thing as general weapon profiles for weapon groups. Dear Katitof if you want to explain your theory about weapon profiles pls do so in the thread created for that and let continue are debate. Have a nice day In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Weapon profiles4 Apr 2016, 15:01 PM Since there are some debate about weapon profiles in other threads I decided to start this one to discuss weapon profiles. Here is one quote: Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 08:41 AMKatitof You don't even understand weapon profiles, what they are and what they do.... LMG weapon profile was completely changed at least twice. AT rifle weapon profile was completely changed twice again. G43s also had different profile then they used to. Same for RET carbines or PPSHs in general. You're repeating "weapon profiles this, weapon profiles that". Well guess what, weapon profiles rules you seem to stick to are OUTDATED for 2 years. There is no such thing as general weapon profiles for weapon groups. Its all about balance now. In: Lobby
Thread: Penals Adjustment4 Apr 2016, 14:54 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 08:41 AMKatitof Irrelevant, weapon profiles can be adjusted so 6 SVTs have the same DPS as 5 M1s. As usual you jump in a debate, for the sole reason to prove someone wrong without actually having any idea what had been said so far. In this thread there 2 very specific proposals one in OP and one by miragelfa and in both of them Penal end up with more far DPS than riflemen. Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 08:41 AMKatitof Exclusively in your head. Plus tell me, which support weapons will be behind penals if you go T1? The 120 mm mortar, Dshk and m-42...in addition a USF officer needs more fuel than Soviet need to built both T1/T2 Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 08:41 AMKatitof You've heard of these stats called accuracy and cooldown? Have actually read what has been proposed? Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2016, 07:58 AMmiragefla -SVT damage from 8 to 10. PLS do us all as favor (including you katitof) and first read and understand before responding Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2016, 07:58 AMmiragefla You don't even understand weapon profiles, what they are and what they do.... ..There is no such thing as general weapon profiles for weapon groups. Its all about balance now. Why don't you explain it to me then? will even start a different thread about it. There are actual weapon profiles for weapon group simplest example hand help flamers...most of them use the same flat profile. Weapon profiles where introduced for balance reason and there is no contraction between weapon profiles and balance contrary to what you imply. Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2016, 07:58 AMmiragefla If SVT weapon profile DOES NOT FULFILL UNITS ROLE then IT NEEDS CHANGE. If a weapon does not fit a unit role that unit simply need a different weapon... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Idea for Penals4 Apr 2016, 14:20 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 10:30 AMFiresparks The act of going t1 for penal means delaying or even skipping t2. The penal needs to be good enough to carry the early soviet without the aid of support weapon. Why are you trying to turn Soviets into USF? Why do you want to turn a specialized unit like Penals into a mainline infatry unit? Why do you suggest to mess with faction balance in order to make 1 unit more attractive? Are Soviet in your opinion under-performing? Why do you object in bolt action rifles? Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 10:30 AMFiresparks Using support weapon and penals together require additional resource investment from soviet, and it should be powerful. No in all cases. Soviet have a wide selection of doctrinal support weapon, doctrinal infatry snipers and transports. Also the fuel cost to support weapons access for USF is more and the actual weapon are less cost efficient in most cases. Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 10:30 AMFiresparks ... the svt's long range capability shouldn't be designed around the mosin nagant. Totally arbitrary conclusion. SVT a semi automatic and it should be designed to be good at mid range. Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 10:30 AMFiresparks ...Fighting against superior infantry squad with superior support weapon is what they do. The volksgrenadier is also a superb long range fighter backed up by an excellent close range fighter. Axis mainline infatry by design are meant to excel at long range fights and lose in other ranges (accept UKF). Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 10:30 AMFiresparks and boosting the svt's far range dps to exactly 1.4 is not going to mean the penal out dps the grenadier. It means that Penals will win the engagements against Gren and Volks in all range due to more EHP and will shred to pieces any other infatry trying to close in before it can close in or simply bleed them out...That would force HMG spam that can still be countered by snipers and m3s... And most importantly WHY do you object to having bolt action rifles? Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 10:30 AMFiresparks Lastly, the flamethrower is both anti-infantry and anti-garrison... All small arm weapon including flamer are AI, glad that we agree that flamer are anti-garrison on top of that In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Idea for Penals4 Apr 2016, 08:56 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 06:13 AMFiresparks having a semi-auto rifle doesn't mean being bad at range. the m1 garand on the rifleman is decent on all range with a dps curve of 6.76-1.67. the ranger/paratroper m1 carbine is even better at 9.89 - 1.83. The M1 overperforms for the simple reason that the faction support weapon under perform as a design intent. Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 06:13 AMFiresparks flamethrower is anti-infantry weapon... Flamer is a good AI weapon at mid range, poor at close, where it shines is against cover or garrison Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 06:13 AMFiresparks what relic refer to as "carbine" in their weapon profile are basically semi-auto rifle... The only units using riflemen M1 garand are riflemen and few officer entities (as far as I can remember) most axis infantries use k-98 but the one obers use and then volks is quite different. Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 06:13 AMFiresparks what's the exact problem in the penal having more dps if you already acknowledge that the rifleman have more received accuracy? 1) Penals have more DPS bonus than Riflemen have EHP bonus 2) Riflemen have support weapon that under-perform Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 06:13 AMFiresparks how much? You've been arguing against the suggestion of doubling the penal's far dps to ~1.4. a minor a minor boost from .78 to 1.0 is not enough. This isn't just about giving the penal a sidebuff, this is about making them stronger. If you want to turn them into a far DPS unit why do you object giving them Mosins? Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 06:13 AMFiresparks The penal needs to be a strong unit to give the soviet an viable non-doc elite unit, or at least an non-doc anti-elite unit. Just making the penal an effective 270mp unit might not be enough. Why? are soviet currently under-performing? What you will think will happen if soviet have access to an infatry that out DPS gren and volks at all ranges and out bleeds PG and SP? you will have HMG spam... Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 06:13 AMFiresparks the mosin nagants is not a good comparison. the conscript is especially notorious for lacking in firepower. The guard mosins rarely factor in fights as the squad are always loaded down with weapon upgrades. Conscript are designed to lose to gren at long range and win at mid range... Guard mosin is a decent weapon if that is not enough Penal could have their own version of a more powerful Mosin but one that would follow the bolt action profile... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Penals Adjustment4 Apr 2016, 08:24 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2016, 03:44 AMAntemurale Should be fine. Take a look at USF Riflemen M1 Garands. They've still got higher DPS at long range than these adjusted SVTs. as you can read in the other thread: 1) riflemen have 5 Garand Panal have 6 SVTs. 2) riflemen do not get a OP boost in their DPS at Vet3 3) riflemen with flamers where over performing 4) M1 garrand is generally a weapon that over-performs because contrary to soviet their support weapon under-perform 5) increase damage to increase DPS for fast firing weapons is the wrong way to about it because these weapon become way too lethal at close 6) their proposed numbers are greatly over performing making them better than Guard mosin rifle at all ranges. A 300 squad will be better than a 340 squad... Weapon profiles was a great improvement in the game and should be followed as much as possible. If a unit need more DPS at certain range it should change weapon type and not change the profile of the weapon... The change might add more options to Soviets but will totally limit the axis option. Penals will win over grenadier and vols in all ranges while they will via attrition vs P.G. and S.P. so actually the only viable response will be HMG spam...In other word the game will become worse In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Idea for Penals3 Apr 2016, 23:04 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2016, 17:24 PMGlokta ... Spot the out of trend semi auto rifle. As I have pointed out several times SVT need less damage close more damage mid and far... A penal squad is currently stronger then riflemen at range up to around 10-12. It should have its close DPS decreased its DPS up to 20 increased and it far DPS about to Conscript Mosin level... Once more if Penals are meant to be used as long range infatry they should be using bolt action rifles... Turning SVT into a rifle that will have the best (or close to the best) DPS at all ranges compared to other soviet rifles will create more problems than it will solve... In: COH2 Balance