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Q: Why do all the carbines have different profiles rather then a carbine profile?

For a number of reasons: When weapon profiles where introduced only EFA where around and they did not have allot of access to Carbines.

The G43 and the SVT where completely reworked and most of their damage was moved from far to mid. The G43 even had more range than other small arm weapons.

when USF where introduced they where equipped with very efficient weapons because the main strength of the faction is infatry and light vehicles.


Relic started to deviate in some cases from original weapon profiles when it came to weapon upgrades. For instance the conscript PPsh that did not have good synergy with the mosin had its profile changed and it actually far worse than Shock PPsh close but allot better mid.

The point here is that carbine weapon are meant to have better efficiency in mid range. If 3 units cost the same and one uses smg the other carbine and the last bolt action there should be paper scissors rock connection between them. SMG should win if they fought from around 10 meter and closer, carbine should win if they fought between 10 and 20-25 and bolt action should win above 25.

There also other difference between the weapons apart from DPS but we can see them later.

The Centaur has some of the best modifiers for direct fire units against units in heavy light cover...It simply is a better unit than Ostwind

The game mechanics do not support adding to different weapon types in an upgrade,....

That is bug that also affects other units and it should be fixed...if it is too difficult make it 3 SVT +1 Flamer...

An SVT is not a carbine, its a semi-auto battle rifle, you keep getting confused on this.

Actaully you are getting confused...In real life SVT is not Carbine, in game it is what ever Relic decides to call it and they decided to call the profile of semi automatic rifles as "carbine profile"
PLS move this to the weapon profiles thread...

To match the SVT to the G43 rifle profile dps goes to/from;
5.99 5.99 4.44 3.10 2.32 1.87 1.55 1.31
5.99 5.99 3.94 2.38 1.72 1.31 1.01 0.77
Which sounds about right.

But is completely wrong...
1)G43 is not a default weapon but a weapon upgrade thus more power full, try matching the Mp40 or shocks PPsh with Conscripts PPsh and see what happens
2) G43 is restricted to half the squad member and not all of them, so unless you are suggesting that all members of axis squad should get G43 the comparison is not valid.
3)You are matching the profiles by only buffing the weapon far DPS which result to massive buff to the profile area...As I explained to you before that start of curve 5.99 is already too high because Penal squads have more DPS even then riflemen at that range...Now start you curve from around 4-4.5 instead of 5.99 and you would have a much more realistic curve...

Your confusing making the SVT OK at range rather then sucking making with it a long range specialist. A penal squad will still perform far better at mid range.

And you are confusing why weapon profiles where introduced in the first place. With your suggestion Penals as t1 270 units would beat P.G. a 340 T2 unit far forcing P.G. to leave cover and attack. In addition a Penal squad with a flamer would beat P.G. at all ranges...and things would get even worse with veterancy...

Having durable, cheap to reinforce squads, with high veterancy bonuses, with access to flamer that deny cover and without any weakness in any range, breaks infatry to infatry fights forcing enemy players to look for solution elsewhere...


PLS take debate about weapon profiles to the appropriate thread...

Part of the idea of buffing penal is to make more doctrine viable, to free the soviet from needing to use shock and guards.

In other words you changing faction design in order to replace call in infantries with Penal, while makng the early play style of soviet similar to USF. The question still stands why? is the soviet faction under-performing?

In addition, with the exception of defensive tactic, none of the soviet doctrine come close to fully replace support weapon. Even defensive tactic lack a decent atg.

Soviet do not need all their support weapons, even if they did building both T1 and T2 cost less fuel than a single USF and 1 officer gives less access to less cost efficient weapons...

a svt-40 with 5.99-1.4 is still going to maintain semi-auto characteristic. The grenadier k98k 's 5.76-2.26 is going to be a bit better at long range but worst at close range. The only reason a penal squadis going to win at long range is due to the two extra model, but even then it's a costly fight.

You seem to be missing the point of weapon profiles. One is to have categories of weapons with similar behavior the other is to have range where one infatry has an advantage over the other.

A shock troops for instance is more expensive than gren yet it would badly if it fight a gren if they fight at range 35 while it win over an Ober who is more expensive if they fight close. What you are suggesting make gren volks lose at all ranges...In addition even PG and ST will lose far (around 45% less DPS and around 40% less HP)and will probably lose if they try to close in from 35 under fire or probably lose at all ranges if Penals have flamers...In other words axis will be forced to either spam HMG or go for vehicles.

You also seem to forget that the difference in DPS will become even worse for axis units at vet 3...Penal vet abilities and vet bonuses need to change...

Remember that both the volks and the grenadier are both cheaper units to begin with. trading long range fire is an inefficient use of resources. Even just stalling and depleting a more expensive unit is a strategic victory.

Gren bleed far worse then Penals. By vet 2 Penal will be able to ourah to mid range and obliterare both gren and Volks.

The penal doesn't need to stay at 270 mp either.

Glad to see that you realize that you can't simply buff a unit massively and expect that everything will be fine...

Penal also lack smoke. M3 can be zoned by grenadiers. Soviet snipers are also more vulnerable to rush than the german sniper.

Try rushing a Soviet sniper supported by Penal with the number you suggested...you might find harder than you think.

And once more why do object in giving Penal a bolt action rifle?

Q:But what are weapon profiles and how did they improve small arms fire

A:W.P. (weapon profiles) consisted of a series of changes.
A W.P. can be visualized by a curve where one axis is DPS and the other is distance to target.

One of changes introduced was to create groups of weapons according to some of the real life characteristics and giving them similar in game characteristics...


For instance categories/groups like the "bolt action rifle", "carbine" (semi automatic), smg where created and the weapons available in game where divided among these categories