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I haven't seen anywhere that Mazianni claimed that OST is undefeatable. You're the one twisting his words and getting snippy. Most of us expect Vipper to go full retard. We don't expect the Director of Moderation to join him. You really ought to step away from the keyboard for awhile.
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CLAIM: Indirect fire nerfs have hurt Ostheer more than anybody else
POSITION: FALSE, indirect fire is designed SPECIFICALLY to counter the form of play that OSTHEER falls into. General IDF nerfs, particularly ones that happen to still leave Ostheer with the best mortar, do NOT harm Ostheer more than any other faction, and this claim is absurd no matter how you look at it.
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The Ostheer strength was support weapon, a nerf all mortar affect ostheer the most, the same way that if all HMFG was nerefed ostheer would be affected the most or if all light vehicles where nerfed ostheer would be affected the least. With 15 more range the ostheer mortar had a better chance to win a dual.It is a simple as that.
The ostheer mortar might be the "best" but the difference is currently minimal.
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Both of these things are by design. Hence the lack of USF Obers or Pgrens. Am I to take it you have also joined the "Nerf BAR!" crowd or is this just a random factnote.
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Mortars are for countering support weapons, and Ostheer has the best anyway, and depends on them the most as you say. That is the whole point. Ostheer is generally going to need a support weapon counter like the mortar less in general compared to other factions. Theirs happens to be the best anyway and whatever - thats cool. Nobody is asking for a nerf.
But good news is devs did buff counter barrage for the Grw34, so technically speaking it does get the extra range back in a barrage duel / counterfire role.
If you want more done with it specifically, however, thats a subject for the Ostheer thread.
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I am simply tired of reading again and again how the USF mortar was nerfed (as if it was the only mortar affected) and how bad it is live (I am not saying that you wrote that), when this is simply not the case.
The fact that MOD team decided to buff the vet 1 ability of the Ostheer mortar while nerfing the other USF option is further indication how powerful USF indirect fire support become after the mortar/tech changes.
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"Nerf all mortar affect ostheer the most" - completly ignoring the fact usf has no other non doc early garrison counter than shitty mortar.well yes, there are fan bois whom pollute every thread with fake stats and opinions
BTW i like how MOD comes here to derail thread with stupid post and then casualy says: back to usf topic please
This forum is a mess.
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"Nerf all mortar affect ostheer the most" - completly ignoring the fact usf has no other non doc early garrison counter than shitty mortar.
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I am simply tired of reading again and again how the USF mortar was nerfed (as if it was the only mortar affected) and how bad it is live (I am not saying that you wrote that), when this is simply not the case.
The fact that MOD team decided to buff the vet 1 ability of the Ostheer mortar and the MHT while nerfing the other USF option is further indication how powerful USF indirect fire support become after the mortar/tech changes.
I had actually brought up that point at it during the preview.
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Everyone who plays usf for long periods of time knows the usf mortar is garbage.
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Great do a number of test of an ostheer mortar firing on house with riflemen in and then one with USF mortar firing on house with grenadier squad and lets us know what you have come up with.
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Both opponents jump out of house after being hit once.
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Panzer tactician is no different than a skill shot. Hardly a "Free" get out of jail card.
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The ostheer mortar has a slight edge over the usf mortar. Ostheer also has pios for los.
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