OKW needs some nerfs don’t you think?

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 04:58 AMGrumpy

OKW already seems a bit worse than OST, so why nerf it? It would make more sense to improve USF and UKF.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 05:10 AMthedarkarmadillo

Wonder what having Obers come out after a 2nd truck (first deployed and then second called in) would look like? Maybe require 2nd placed for the lmg. Could really help push the mid game and allow volks to take a hit and open up the potential for some combined forces

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 05:44 AMdistrofio

Even if two truck are needed to be deployed, its a change for OKW. Nowdays Obers come after the 15+30+15+120 = 180 Fuel cost mark, but if thw OKM player chooses for "infantry superiority" deploying T1 and T2, it would be 15+30+15+45 = 105 fuel (58% of original cost) at the expense of delaying the best AT tools in the faction, I.e. Jp4 and Panthers. But Obers should be trained at T0.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 05:13 AMthedarkarmadillo

That's called power creep. Remember when volks were buffed to help stand against rifles forgetting that USF wasn't the only match up so relic did what they do and left conscripts as is and buffed the tits off penals who are now thrashing volks and grens alike? You keep buffing everything and the furthest back on the list becomes obsolete and in need of a buff.

UKF are getting snares, on a possibly 5 man 210mp unit that can arm AT. let's see where that leaves them in the realm of balance..

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 05:13 AMthedarkarmadillo

That's called power creep. Remember when volks were buffed to help stand against rifles forgetting that USF wasn't the only match up so relic did what they do and left conscripts as is and buffed the tits off penals who are now thrashing volks and grens alike? You keep buffing everything and the furthest back on the list becomes obsolete and in need of a buff.

UKF are getting snares, on a possibly 5 man 210mp unit that can arm AT. let's see where that leaves them in the realm of balance..

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 09:10 AMGrumpy

I don't mean buff all units. For example, my wish list for USF would be to undo the vet 3 RA nerf for rifles, undo the suppression nerf for the 50 cal, and do something so that AT guns don't get 1 or 2-shotted by a Stupa. I don't play UKF enough to have an opinion on them, but do think that the list should also be small (maybe even just the snares that you mentioned above).

The point that I was trying to make is that I like what Relic is doing now with the smaller, targeted patches and don't think that nerfing OKW as a whole will be helpful.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 09:59 AMthedarkarmadillo

I think we're in agreement then. Buffing everything to anwser the op units is a bad mistake that relic made and we are still struggling with. However I feel strongly that volks need a nerf and Obers need to be made accessible. A faction with 3 infantry units 2 as hard AI units aaaaaand we mostly only see the cheap general purpose unit... Okw isn't perfect by a long shot and I really think volks are crutching too much to get a good read on them. Plus a major upset for balance. At 10mp more than cons and grens they borrow the best from both and ignore the weaknesses which is an awful design. Rifles are supposed to be the leg work infantry not volks...

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 16:26 PMGrumpy

I agree with you on both Volks and Obers. I'd also like to see the raketen get a wider firing arc and shorter aim time, possibly in exchange for making it stationary while cloaked. There are too many times that it seems like they should be firing at a vehicle and they don't.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 16:17 PMadamírcz

Earlier arriving Obersoldaten would certainly not be OP

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 16:30 PMVipper

One could test making the RW work as hand held rocket AT weapons.

High mobility and response times with less penetration/damage and deflection deflection damage. More like an AT squad with longer range.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 16:30 PMVipper

One could test making the RW work as hand held rocket AT weapons.

High mobility and response times with less penetration/damage and deflection deflection damage. More like an AT squad with longer range.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 16:26 PMGrumpy

I agree with you on both Volks and Obers. I'd also like to see the raketen get a wider firing arc and shorter aim time, possibly in exchange for making it stationary while cloaked. There are too many times that it seems like they should be firing at a vehicle and they don't.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 21:22 PMSander93

I think range to 60 with a bit better arc and shorter aim time (to compensate for the missile's tendency to connect with literally anything between it and the target). Make the camo either stationary or a very slow crawl.

Less cheese, more reliable.

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2018, 03:12 AMCresc

THEY NEED TO NERF THAT SPECIAL OP DOCTRINE WITH THE 60 MUNI MAPHACK 15 MUNI INSTAWIPE GRENADES AND COMMAND WITH 1KM SATELITTE TURRET AND DAMN MARK TARGET (for 30 muni)

I'VE HAD IT WITH THIS DOC, REACHED BOILING TEMPERATURE, MY HEADS GONNA EXPLODE



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Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2018, 10:30 AMBananenheld

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