Buff Shocks

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2018, 11:43 AMLeOverlord

Same goes with Rangers and Paratroopers, but still, some people manage to field 2-3 squads for flanking or tank mgs

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2018, 11:43 AMLeOverlord

Same goes with Rangers and Paratroopers, but still, some people manage to field 2-3 squads for flanking or tank mgs

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2018, 14:14 PMLeOverlord

BARs definitely

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2018, 19:21 PMVipper

My suggestion from another thread
https://www.coh2.org/topic/81491/suggestions-for-commanders-revamp

Shock Troops
Reinforcement price from 31 to 30
Call-in cost up 10%, can now also be built from T1 for normal price. (To make T1 more oriented for heavy infantry use. The building could also provide some sort of tech bonus to infantry)

New vet 1 ability "bulletproof" *0.75 target size *0.90 accuracy for the duration, cost 25 munition.
Maybe replace some of the vet 3 accuracy bonus with reload and/or cool-down.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2018, 19:21 PMChocoboknight88

I'd like it if they could throw a barrage of Smokes to cover a wider area. Maybe even give a targeting UI similar to the Centaur's Strafing Barrage only with smoke bombs. THAT will be useful.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2018, 20:40 PMAugust1996

Seriously they're so freaking bad it's not even funny. PPSH cons do a comparable job while being more cost efficient AND come in a meta doctrine. Why would I use Shocks? Their DPS isn't Ranger/Paras+Thompsons level of good(ask any Axis main what happens if angry Americans with Thompsons come charging). Their armor and smoke grenade are the only things going for them but why would I care? Guards handle everything Shocks can but better PLUS they can counter LV meta.

Buff their lethality to make them worth using, currently Guards>PPSH Cons>>>>>>>>>>>>Shocks when it comes to what's worth using.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2018, 19:12 PMKirrik

Make them more like paratroopers/PPSh cons

Give them 2 or 3 Penal SVT's and buff their PPSh range to same levels as thompsons, make these improved PPSh transferable upon model deaths

There you go, Shocks fixed

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2018, 12:38 PMSander93

I think their initial shock value is pretty on point, especially in certain CQC team games maps. It's mostly late game when they start to become less effective when the Germans can field vetted/elite long range infantry and vehicles. Perhaps introduce the SVTs as a package to upgrade their mid-long range DPS as the game goes on?

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2018, 13:10 PMKirrik

These 2-3 SVT's arent there to buff shocks, they are drawback to make sure they wont exterminate everyone in point blank ranges.

In exchange shocks get PPSh range increased, in combination with SVT's it would make Shocks useful at midrange

Thats how Paratroopers/PPSh cons work, it's not just about point blank dps, it's about ability to do some damage on the move/midrange instead of just doing nothing but bleeding themselves to death like Shocks do now

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2018, 13:27 PMCrecer13

Maybe 4 trophy STG-44 to increase the range or 6 AVT-40, it's all the same SVT-40 only add short burst (I think it's quite possible)

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2018, 13:26 PMKirrik

Ass Grens are not elite CQC squad, they arent even direct combat unit, they are flank/harrass unit.

Commandos are not direct combat unit either, but you can turn them into one by giving them 2x Brens, which gives almost same long-range DPS as 2x Bren IS

Only Paratroopers and Rangers have exact same role as Shocks, and they all can do mid-range DPS, while Shocks are point-blank only.
It's a no-brainer change to give Shocks PPSh same buff Thompsons recieved

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2018, 13:41 PMVipper

If you need a mid range DPS unit I suggest you use Penals.

Comparing Soviet units and USF units is misleading since the factions are differently designed. In addition Paras/Ranger are CP 3/ have to pay munition for weapons and have to worth building over riflemen who are better than conscripts.

As I have explained default weapons should follow weapon profiles and not stretched to fit units. If a unit is designed for mid range, it needs a mid range weapon and not a smg.

Finally keep in mind that Thompson is a weapon upgrade, not default weapon and has to justify cost.
Your suggestion is far from a no-brainer.