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ZombiFrancis
19 Apr 2017, 20:02 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Apr 2017, 19:51 PMEtherealDragon
On the bright side, I think the fact that everyone is obsessing over the Faust change and nothing else speaks to how generally non-controversial the other changes are - so *thumbs up* (Maxim might take some getting used to but it doesn't seem bad by my estimation)


A lot of energy burned out addressing wbp and gcs changes from a design standpoint. I burned out trying to voice my opinion on penal ptrs. This is to be expected. The mod team mostly has the blank check to do as they please at this point IMO. I know i am too fatigued to try and explain any sort of opposition to their will.

I just want a stable version to build a mod on that won't be broken by the next patch so I can continue to have fun playing with friends on LAN.
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Kasarov
19 Apr 2017, 21:02 PM
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Honestly, OKW isn't as munitions-starved as OKH, so I don't believe the +5mun to faust is an over-nerf, but I like to see standardization, so I like the idea of the 25mun faust. However, I will say that the faust being available from a SwS truck being on the field is a little early, since you could literally build the SwS truck at any time, and reverting it back to the setup is reasonable.

Maxim changes seem a little drastic, but I think it's for the better. I personally like them, and it stops cheese. Maxims with the bigger arc could basically be used the same way as the Vickers, which makes sense.

I'm still waiting to see some love given to the Conscripts, maybe also PM-41 for Soviets and leIG for OKW. And for Soviet/OKH to get real weapons on the weapon crews instead of useless Mosins/MP40s that have 0.1 accuracy since WFA and UKF all have normal infantry weapons (I think?). And for OKH vehicles to be as good as OKW vehicles. #OutOfScope :guyokay::foreveralone:
jump backJump back to quoted post12 May 2017, 05:02 AMKasarov

Japan:
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frostbite
19 Apr 2017, 21:21 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Apr 2017, 19:07 PMDangerous-Cloth
Seriously? Making the OKW faust 30 muni? Why? It coming later is fine, but the 30 muni cost is lame guys.
relic dont make small tweak they make big changes lol. like all the allies nerfs and command nerf
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Mistah_S
20 Apr 2017, 02:50 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Apr 2017, 16:16 PMAlphrum
if OKW seem to be over-performing or units that are too cost efficient, why not bring back the OKW resource penalty? >.> kinda miss that unnique feature

Nooo, dont do that! It would make them extremely difficult to play for beginners again!
At least, if they did that, bring back the muni/fuel offset to compensate

jump backJump back to quoted post19 Apr 2017, 16:33 PMferwiner

Yep, okw was generally much better design and ballance wise before the unfortunate 'redesign'. Sadly, there is probably no coming back after so many patches.

Why do people think that? I jumped on the Western armies 2 weeks before they got changed, and am genuinely curios.

jump backJump back to quoted post19 Apr 2017, 16:43 PMAustralian Magic
Earlier pzfaust was for me best change in WBP.
Now with that being reverted, welcome back M3 rush.
Volks since they can stand against M3 without bleed, while Volks without pzfaust will bleed like a hell.

Volks bleeding against scout car?
Wut?

jump backJump back to quoted post19 Apr 2017, 17:27 PMEsxile

5/10 fuel cost kubel would have probably solve the issue the same way.

+1
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Hans G. Schultz
20 Apr 2017, 03:23 AM
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1.3.2 was birthed:
https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/comment/268107#Comment_268107
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Australian Magic
20 Apr 2017, 04:54 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 02:50 AMMistah_S


Volks bleeding against scout car?
Wut?




wow, you didn't know you can inflict losses on Volks by M3 without loosing any manpower yourself?
Now at least you know it :foreveralone:
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insaneHoshi
20 Apr 2017, 04:59 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 04:54 AMAustralian Magic


wow, you didn't know you can inflict losses on Volks by M3 without loosing any manpower yourself?
Now at least you know it :foreveralone:


It's like it is a kubel which does more damage.
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Delodax
20 Apr 2017, 06:32 AM
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What's up with people having extreme faction bias o.O
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Gluhoman
20 Apr 2017, 07:14 AM
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It seems like t1 will be the only option since maxim plus cons wont be effective anymore (the weakest element here is cons). Strafniki plus dushka into sherman will be in every game. I dunno why modders didnt want to buff main infantry and tier upgrades. Scope again?
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Mistah_S
20 Apr 2017, 07:17 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 04:54 AMAustralian Magic

Wow, you didn't know you can inflict losses on Volks by M3 without loosing any manpower yourself?
Now at least you know it :foreveralone:

It's a tactic, I will admit, I just have never seen it used in game is all.
Normally they get fausted quick.

jump backJump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 06:32 AMDelodax
What's up with people having extreme faction bias o.O

If you are referring to my comment, I will defend the opposite side of what the bandwagon is on; in other words, I see loads of Allied fanboyism ATM, I will defend Axis
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ZombiFrancis
20 Apr 2017, 13:46 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 07:17 AMMistah_S

It's a tactic, I will admit, I just have never seen it used in game is all.
Normally they get fausted quick.


Normally they do. Normally they will have accomplished their use. Either by bleeding volks, ruining OKW's map control, or forcing the OKW player to use fausts to kill something as flimsy as an M3. The M3 has always been a sort of monkeywrench unit that doesn't last but sure as hell can throw off an intentional axis strategy.

Unfortunately, I feel like GCS is more of an attempt to validate the intended metagame and strategy of WBP. I'm really just seeing specific strategies nerfed and created without respect to faction design. I mean, issues of design can't be balanced away...
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Australian Magic
20 Apr 2017, 14:02 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 07:17 AMMistah_S

It's a tactic, I will admit, I just have never seen it used in game is all.
Normally they get fausted quick.


And that's the thing. Currently you have to watch after your M3, keep distance becasue otherwise you will be pzfausted.

With incoming reverse you won't even care about M3 just dive deep, park next to Volks and profit.

Nerfing pzfaust is imo huge misteake.
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mycalliope
20 Apr 2017, 14:21 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Apr 2017, 15:16 PMMr.Smith


https://www.coh2.org/topic/60453/gcs-placement-match-stats-w-updates

Siphon X also has detailed stats about which units were fielded and how often.


maybe its the rest of the units suck,thats why other gets picked so much,no cache,no sniper,no proper at ,no sniper and mortar expensive units,underpwoered doctrines..??? have you considered all that..?? or you can't stand 1 % drop in allied winrate and winrate is balanced between ukf,usf broken like always,only soviets are under performing
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Esxile
20 Apr 2017, 14:49 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 14:02 PMAustralian Magic


And that's the thing. Currently you have to watch after your M3, keep distance becasue otherwise you will be pzfausted.

With incoming reverse you won't even care about M3 just dive deep, park next to Volks and profit.

Nerfing pzfaust is imo huge misteake.


More or less what OKW does with the Kubel and the Sturm. Dive in with the Kubel to tank the damage, get the Sturm on a favorable position and profit. Nobody has the atnade ready at this moment.

But yes, nerfing pfaust isn't the best solution. adding a 5/10 fuel cost to the kubel is.


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About the m20, I usually try to get it fausted on a safe area soon after getting, two times. So I considere I have rentabilize the shirt cost. And get the STG delayed.
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Vipper
20 Apr 2017, 14:53 PM
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Since GCS is more less decided, I will suggest once more that the NEXT patch should focus on the very large number inconsistencies, vet abilities, vet bonuses and commander abilities that need to be looked at and not on balance issues.

here are some:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/60221/inconsistencies-that-should-be-fixed
:)
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Australian Magic
20 Apr 2017, 14:58 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 14:49 PMEsxile


More or less what OKW does with the Kubel and the Sturm. Dive in with the Kubel to tank the damage, get the Sturm on a favorable position and profit. Nobody has the atnade ready at this moment.

But yes, nerfing pfaust isn't the best solution. adding a 5/10 fuel cost to the kubel is.



Sure, but still M3 is much more potent than Kubel and can carry troops.

I find that unlocking pzfasut should have similar cost to unlocking M3 and with Ostheer T1 and called Truck that was balanced perfectly but with truck being step down not really...
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Tobis
20 Apr 2017, 15:16 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 06:32 AMDelodax
What's up with people having extreme faction bias o.O

The people who didn't give up on this thread already are all clinically insane. There is a correlation between insanity and being a massive fanboy.
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Hans G. Schultz
21 Apr 2017, 01:29 AM
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Presenting v1.4:
https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/comment/268147#Comment_268147
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Delodax
21 Apr 2017, 14:24 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Apr 2017, 01:29 AMHans G. Schultz
Presenting v1.4:
https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/comment/268147#Comment_268147


a) How will this combat the "death loop"?

b) When can we expect the patch to hit live? My fingers are itching! ;)
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EtherealDragon
21 Apr 2017, 15:04 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Apr 2017, 14:24 PMDelodax


a) How will this combat the "death loop"?

b) When can we expect the patch to hit live? My fingers are itching! ;)


A) I think the idea is that be changing the mobility of the crew that when a model gets picked off the next man up can run faster to the gun and GTFO before dying and starting the loop. Squad formation I'm less sure about...

B) Should be next Tuesday
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