WinterBalance 1.2

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Stug-E

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2016, 10:19 AMTheMachine

There's also a big damage between raw damage and manpower bleed. The current Stug E doesn't pick off models.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2016, 10:14 AMMr.Smith

Do note that Stug-E becoming better, and more consistent vs stationary infantry is the intended design.

The trade-off here, is that stug-E should be considerably worse vs mobile infantry.

Also note that a Stug-E costs about half of the resources that a Brummbar requires. Thus, 2x Stug-E's should be somewhat comparable. Especially now that Stug-E packs inferior AT utility/durability to the Brummbar.

The days of cheesing the Stug-E commander are over.
However, Stug-E should still have -something- to draw people to picking this commander over the other commanders.

The real stress-test here is how Stug-E performs vs AT guns.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2016, 01:29 AMinsaneHoshi

Does that mean OKW should be getting smoke on all their vehicles now?

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2016, 17:47 PMZombiFrancis

Molotovs, flamethrowers, mortars?

(Also being sneaky, mines, tripwires, and demos. But those are midgame preventative measures.)

I think the cost to the SU-76 barrage is long overdue. Being free was always kind of a nod towards being broken or misused.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2016, 19:24 PMLimaOscarMike

yes those will do , but it would be good to see these barage being use spacific situation that it good at

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2016, 20:08 PMGrumpy

Greyhound and M20 still need buffs. I tested them against 222's. The 280/50 Greyhound gets shredded by the 250/30 222. Spending 70 munitions on the Greyhound makes it almost competitive against the 222.

Testing the M20 was pointless, even with the upgrade it still got rekt. In short, the USF pays something like 240/20/70 and 6 popcap to be able to lay Teller mines that aren't bugged.

The OST PIV doesn't justify the 125 fuel. It's not really good at anything. It probably beats the standard Sherman more than 50% in head-to-head battles but is 15 fuel more and has worse AI.

The Recon Support commander would be a lot better if the armor upgrade was included on the Greyhound, the main gun was set to match the Stuarts, and the combat groups didn't drop with bazooka's or AT guns (maybe just replace with standard paratroops).

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2016, 20:41 PMMuad'Dib

Flak Halftrack still seems to be able to set up on the move if given an attack-move order.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2016, 10:14 AMMr.Smith

The days of cheesing the Stug-E commander are over.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2016, 20:13 PMZombiFrancis

Those are rather good suggestions to make the Greyhound interesting.

Recon Support could use so much love:

Forward Observers could also act as field defenses upgrade. (Field defenses +1!)

Airdrop Combat Group could also drop a 50 cal. The AT gun and 50 cal could drop with crews. The paratroopers definitely should be identical to Airborne paratroopers instead of randomly equipped.

Sort of an offmap combat group without tanks. (So still kinda worthless.)

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2016, 15:54 PMLimaOscarMike

SU-76 barage should get anti garrison buff too don't you guy think since now it cost ammu

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2016, 17:47 PMZombiFrancis

I think the cost to the SU-76 barrage is long overdue. Being free was always kind of a nod towards being broken or misused.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2016, 20:08 PMGrumpy

The OST PIV doesn't justify the 125 fuel. It's not really good at anything. It probably beats the standard Sherman more than 50% in head-to-head battles but is 15 fuel more and has worse AI.