Login

russian armor

Give OKW Panzerbüchse 39 (anti tank rifle)

30 Aug 2016, 12:56 PM
#21
avatar of strafniki

Posts: 558 | Subs: 1

what is panzerbusche? 4Head
30 Aug 2016, 13:03 PM
#22
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8

what is panzerbusche? 4Head

Play early ToW missions as ost and you'll find out.
30 Aug 2016, 13:07 PM
#23
avatar of Crumbum

Posts: 213

If you've seen this weapon in the singleplayer missions you won't want it added... It's horrible.
30 Aug 2016, 13:10 PM
#24
avatar of strafniki

Posts: 558 | Subs: 1

jump backJump back to quoted post30 Aug 2016, 13:07 PMCrumbum
If you've seen this weapon in the singleplayer missions you won't want it added... It's horrible.


inb4 they would only copy paste it like american mortar, just with ptrs.
inb4 it adds gamebreaking bugs again :bananadance:
30 Aug 2016, 14:35 PM
#25
avatar of Rappy

Posts: 526

I prefer the idea of moving Ober to Tier 2 (Medic HQ) then allow them to upgrade with double Schrecks. That way, OKW can open with Tier 2 without being too risky when it comes to deal with LVs rush. Or the idea of double Panzerbusches upgrade for Volks would be nice, but then it will be the whole new Panzerbusche blob thing which frankly, I think it will be a thing since Volks scale to late game better than Cons.‎


No! Never!
Obers are EXPENSIVE and four man. No one will want to give them two schreks unless it also comes with two lmgs and sort out squad spacing. They cost 100mp to reinforce one member. Basically it's a stupid idea that will never gain traction.
30 Aug 2016, 14:37 PM
#26
avatar of Rappy

Posts: 526

jump backJump back to quoted post30 Aug 2016, 12:37 PMFino
The panzerbuche does half the damage of a schreck and has 115 penetration as opposed to the 180/170/160 of the schreck.

Would it really help?

Wouldnt it be better to fix the Raketten instead?

The idea is that there would be two of them and they would each fire faster than a schrek.
30 Aug 2016, 14:38 PM
#27
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8

jump backJump back to quoted post30 Aug 2016, 14:35 PMRappy


No! Never!
Obers are EXPENSIVE and four man. No one will want to give them two schreks unless it also comes with two lmgs and sort out squad spacing. They cost 100mp to reinforce one member. Basically it's a stupid idea that will never gain traction.

You must've missed that patch in 2015 where ober reinforce cost was decreased considerably.
Plus that's utter bullshit anyway on your part as they never were over 50 to reinforce.

Please learn how reinforce formula works and know that all OKW units except volks reinforce for cheaper then that formula indicates.
30 Aug 2016, 15:14 PM
#28
avatar of Fino

Posts: 191

jump backJump back to quoted post30 Aug 2016, 14:37 PMRappy

The idea is that there would be two of them and they would each fire faster than a schrek.


Edit:My bad,the TOW squad comes with a single AT rifle.

Still,once again,its not a very good weapon,and adding new stuff to replace something instead of fixing said something is bad practice.
30 Aug 2016, 15:20 PM
#29
avatar of Rappy

Posts: 526

jump backJump back to quoted post30 Aug 2016, 14:38 PMKatitof

You must've missed that patch in 2015 where ober reinforce cost was decreased considerably.
Plus that's utter bullshit anyway on your part as they never were over 50 to reinforce.

Please learn how reinforce formula works and know that all OKW units except volks reinforce for cheaper then that formula indicates.

I read the wrong stat. Still I stand behind the point that obers are expensive and putting two schreks on them is a waste.
30 Aug 2016, 15:49 PM
#30
avatar of William Christensen

Posts: 401

jump backJump back to quoted post30 Aug 2016, 14:35 PMRappy


No! Never!
Obers are EXPENSIVE and four man. No one will want to give them two schreks unless it also comes with two lmgs and sort out squad spacing. They cost 100mp to reinforce one member. Basically it's a stupid idea that will never gain traction.


They by far having the smallest squad size compared to other infantry at vet 0 (only 0.7) so that's kinda compensate for their high cost. We can make Ober slightly cheaper (like 350 - 375 MP) and probably slightly cheaper reinfore as well.‎

With the changes, they can now act as Elite AI infantry at long-range earlier on (While its equivalent being Panzergrenadier works best at medium to close-range) and a mobile AT unit later on with double Schrecks upgrade. You don't have to put the Schrecks on immediately, you can keep them like people did with Panzergrenadiers. But by doing this, people that open with Medic HQ would have quite a diverse army and 1 of them being mobile AT if you want.

However, before this change can work or to be looked at more carefully, the Raketenwerfer needs to be fix first. Its aim time is just annoying sometimes.‎



30 Aug 2016, 15:55 PM
#31
avatar of aomsinzana

Posts: 284 | Subs: 1

since Volks Shreck blob Shift-A meta was gone ... LV meta raising ... but Raketen still the same
FailFish
30 Aug 2016, 16:02 PM
#32
avatar of Rappy

Posts: 526



They by far having the smallest squad size compared to other infantry at vet 0 (only 0.7) so that's kinda compensate for their high cost. We can make Ober slightly cheaper (like 350 - 375 MP) and probably slightly cheaper reinfore as well.‎

With the changes, they can now act as Elite AI infantry at long-range earlier on (While its equivalent being Panzergrenadier works best at medium to close-range) and a mobile AT unit later on with double Schrecks upgrade. You don't have to put the Schrecks on immediately, you can keep them like people did with Panzergrenadiers.

Squad size isn't balanced solely with received accuracy. There is also an offensive component, in this case a penalty with having fewer guns. In this case there would only be two kar98 rifles and two schreks.

The difference is, aside from cost, that pgrens start with DPS that is worthy of their price. With obers to get value you HAVE to upgrade to lmg for 60muni which in assuming would be mutually exclusive with the proposed double schrek. It's just a bad idea.
30 Aug 2016, 16:04 PM
#33
avatar of Waegukin

Posts: 609

PzB on the Volks isn't a bad idea, but I'd rather work with the tools we've got. Fixing the Rak and allowing Sturmpios to equip the Sweeper and Shrek/Flamethrower together would be better.
nee
30 Aug 2016, 16:35 PM
#34
avatar of nee

Posts: 1216

Give them to Volks to Obers. Making a new unit in the one faction with the most non-doc combat squads is just bloating the game.

Volksblob with 1x schreck each was powerful, but if it was an AT rifle instead then that would reintroduce the AT role for them without the high firepower. It also gives them 1x slot to pick shit up. Obers can have the 1x schreck if you really so desperate for a rocket launcher that's not on wheels.
30 Aug 2016, 17:05 PM
#35
avatar of wouren
Senior Social Media Manager Badge

Posts: 1281 | Subs: 3

Anyone having AT issues for OKW past 1v1? I haven't had any personally. In 1v1 for me, I kind of get a bit annoyed when I have to deny myself minesweeping just to counter early tanks.
30 Aug 2016, 18:03 PM
#36
avatar of Muad'Dib

Posts: 368

What I'd like to see in terms of OKW AT:
1. PSchreck and flamethrower exclusive with each other, but one of the two can be combined with the minesweeper;
2. Panzerfaust available from the get go (why isn't it anyway?);
3. Some kind of survivability and/or veterancy rework for the Raketen. It's quite potent with veterancy now, but getting there is a problem, especially with the Tokyo Drift retreat animation.

Panzerbuchse doesn't feel necessary for reasons already mentioned.
30 Aug 2016, 18:07 PM
#37
avatar of Stug life

Posts: 4474

Here is my take on this :
90 mun 3 ptrs upgrade (litteraly the same as gaurds)
Or
70 mun 1 ptrs (110 pen 80 damage faster rate of fire then 1 ptrs)

And obliviously we remove panzer sherck from SP and stg from volks
30 Aug 2016, 18:32 PM
#38
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8

Here is my take on this :
90 mun 3 ptrs upgrade (litteraly the same as gaurds)
Or
70 mun 1 ptrs (110 pen 80 damage faster rate of fire then 1 ptrs)

And obliviously we remove panzer sherck from SP and stg from volks

How long have you not played the game?
Because guards always had 2 PTRS ever since alpha up until now.
30 Aug 2016, 18:33 PM
#39
avatar of Stug life

Posts: 4474

jump backJump back to quoted post30 Aug 2016, 18:32 PMKatitof

How long have you not played the game?
Because guards always had 2 PTRS ever since alpha up until now.
....kat I meant the stats ...... I know they have 2 ...... I play the game ... Unlike you :romeoHype::romeoHype: (it's a joke don't kill me)
30 Aug 2016, 18:35 PM
#40
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8

Then be clear.
1 user is browsing this thread: 1 guest

SHOUT IT OUT!

No ProfanityNumber of ShoutsRefresh Shout Box
KoRneY: @aerafield It's possible that it is underpriced for what it is capable of now, no need to go full retard and take it immediately as a massive problem. It costs 60 more MP than a pz.3 and in 2v2 the barrage can be quite strong.
Last Friday, 19:14 PM
OKSpitfire: I do like that they made the Stuka more expensive instead of nerfing it into the ground though. Found it pretty unsatisfying to use before that buff a while back....
Last Thursday, 16:35 PM
aerafield: USF already is by far the shittiest faction in terms of countering blobbing and turtling, now they supposedly have one overtuned tool locked behind a BG and it's immediately a massive problem?
Last Thursday, 13:33 PM
Lady Xenarra: I think post-2.0 Whizbang buffs, the price is too low esp since the Stuka got nerfed in cost too. Speaking of which, how exactly is one supposed to successfully dive this Sherman in disguise? Med tank spam running into SSFs?
Last Thursday, 12:13 PM
OKSpitfire: A powerful, doctrinal unit that outperforms stock stuff? Colour me shocked! :P
Last Thursday, 10:49 AM
Willy Pete: Cool you wanna lose your stock lategame arty too then?
Last Thursday, 03:20 AM
Lady Xenarra: WTB Whizzbang for DAK instead of Stuka, 5 fuel cheape, 60MP more expensive and next to impossible to dive. :rofl:
Last Wednesday, 20:27 PM
Rosbone: It is also hard to expect Relic to help Coh2 when they cant even make working menus in Coh3 yet, 2 years after release and at full price+ for DLCs. Thats like asking a fish to do calculus.
04 Mar 2025, 02:58 AM
Rosbone: But this last patch has made good progress for grabbing players. All we can hope is Coh3 gets to Coh2s quality level before everyone abandons the franchise. Its Relic so they will completely f*%k it up as usual. But its a hope/cope.
04 Mar 2025, 02:55 AM
Rosbone: Relic wants Coh2 to fail so players will migrate to Coh3. It is hard to blame them since Coh3 sucks so bad. It needs all the help it can get.
04 Mar 2025, 02:53 AM
Soheil: Coh2 is dead , full of map hackers , and lelic knows that but ...
04 Mar 2025, 01:26 AM
aerafield: Oh how I missed the weird spam bots, welcome back :banana:
03 Mar 2025, 13:05 PM
situsgbo777: Platform game online terpercaya dengan berbagai pilihan permainan seru dan peluang menang besar. Nikmati pengalaman bermain terbaik hanya di GBO777
03 Mar 2025, 06:48 AM
OKSpitfire: @aerafield that does sound familiar
02 Mar 2025, 09:06 AM
aerafield: @Lady Xenarra :rofl:
02 Mar 2025, 01:45 AM
Lady Xenarra: Ah, the gren faust-replacing-rifles bug/exploit. :ph34r:
01 Mar 2025, 18:24 PM
aerafield: CoH3 high elo is truly the dumbest CoH experience that ever existed
01 Mar 2025, 17:25 PM
aerafield: @OKSpitfire tbh I find it quite challenging to get the Pershing in time, having to suffer through the CoH3 tickrate and this endless bullshit meta of massive blobs going back and forth to the forward heal truck
01 Mar 2025, 17:24 PM
OKSpitfire: Well... going to be seeing the Pershing a lot for a little while, that thing is a monster.
01 Mar 2025, 11:44 AM

Ladders Top 10

  • #
    Steam Alias
    W
    L
    %
    Streak
Data provided by Relic Relic Entertainment

Replay highlight

VS
  • U.S. Forces flag cblanco ★
  • The British Forces flag 보드카 중대
  • Oberkommando West flag VonManteuffel
  • Ostheer flag Heartless Jäger
uploaded by XXxxHeartlessxxXX

Board Info

396 users are online: 396 guests
6 posts in the last 24h
17 posts in the last week
59 posts in the last month
Registered members: 52482
Welcome our newest member, Sirpilla
Most online: 2043 users on 29 Oct 2023, 01:04 AM