(May Preview Mod) Penal Batalion

Jump back to quoted post10 May 2016, 12:39 PMKatitof

Vet differences make both of them equally or more durable actually.
Bear in mind that it doesn't matter how many rifles there are, but the final squad DPS. For example grens and volks have almost the same DPS despite having different number of men in squad, therefore volks are considerably superior for only 10 more mp, however they fall short with veterance and upgrades taken into consideration.

Jump back to quoted post10 May 2016, 15:45 PMUlyssesBellefonte

Does the Stg44 upgrade not shift things into the Volks favour? I thought it might have, may be mistaken however

Jump back to quoted post10 May 2016, 09:21 AMFiresparks

In terms of meta game, the penal's complete lack of anti-vehicle make the build vulnerable to tanks and light tank.

on the other hand, they are just about the best anti-infantry squad in the game. Only the ober compare are as good at it. The unit force the okw and wehr to use support weapons or tank as the penal seems to dominate infantry combat.

Jump back to quoted post10 May 2016, 11:37 AMRollo

Speaking as someone who's played a bunch of sov games in the preview I would agree.

Penals imo are over performing, they're not crazy OP but compare them to rifles/tommies that are 280 and they are night and day superior. Better DPS at all ranges and an extra man for 20 more mp..

People will bring up the "you have no AT grenade" argument but soviets have guards/AT partisans in like half their doctrines that can deal with 222/flame HT/Luch fine until T-70 or T-34/76.

Jump back to quoted post10 May 2016, 22:18 PMDoggo

The only way a nerf to penals works, is if they make T1 not trash.

Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 00:09 AMABlockOfSalt

Oohrah + Flame thrower + Their buffed stats are something to keep an eye on I guess.

Not saying OP/UP just that if they had smoke they'd be like riflemen's bigger, jockier brother.

Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 00:38 AMFalseAlarm

An overpriced USF-RM clone without any upgrades which also require teching and is more expensive is OP?

Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 07:54 AMHikuran

This Overpriced Penal can take out Obers with ease, and cheaper than Obers, and comes out earlier than Obers.

Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 06:58 AMKatitof

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Or vet that makes them tanky.

There is plenty things setting them apart.

Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 11:03 AMMyself

So you are actually mistaken penal get tankier with veterancy vs small arm. The remain tankier vs explosion from vet to vet 3 since the have more total HP...

Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 08:08 AMKatitof

Obers are not meant nor balanced to be used WITHOUT weapon upgrade.
Hardly anyone remembers why LMG is a cheap upgrade now instead of stock part.

Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 11:34 AMKatitof

And since you've missed it, I referred to vet3 and said that rifles get much tankier then penals vs small arms, which your numbers only support...

Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 12:18 PMMyself

Actually I did not miss anything, what you post now is completely different from your previous post.

If you wanted to say that Rifles become tantkier at vet 3 than Penal, vs small arms, that is what you should had written, but you did not.

You actually wrote:
"Or vet that makes them tanky.
There is plenty things setting them apart."

Which actually mean than penal are set apart from riflemen because the do not get veternacy bonuses that make the "tanky".

And that statement is actually wrong.
(If you spend less timing spamming post, maybe your post would be of better quality, and you would not have to write even more low quality post try to defending your original post with more BS)

Jump back to quoted post11 May 2016, 11:55 AMofield

Panzergrenadiers do well against penals, just place them in heavy cover if possible and they might even win a long range fight.