OKW Elite Infantry and some other Issues
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Agree with the RNG on squad wipes such as mines, artys and He shells though, something could be done about that, other than increasing health or squads number (that would break the game).
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For example Imperial Dane casted OKW against UKF featuring Vet5 Obers recently.
Im not saying its impossible to get vet 5 units im saying that its far to difficult to get vet 5 units. But we really need some numbers here to propely talk about this can some body dig in the xp requirements for volks vg's and obers. And to make a good comparison give the ones for shocks commando's and rifles as well.
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Sturms: could get a lower vet3-vet5 xp requirements.
Medkit package could be less expensive. But i'll rather it be heal with AoE, slower, cancelling if entering in combat. The idea is to depend less on Medic HQ at the expense of munitions.
Sturm Offizier: give it vet levels. Once it levels up, further reduces the chances of retreating after getting the officer killed. Vet2-3 50/50 chance of retreating/pinned. Vet4-5 50/50 between suppressed/pinned.
Panzerfussilier: no change. They are fine.
Flak Halftrack: +20hp. Did anyone checked it's performance against units in buildings nowadays?
Falls: remove building spawn. Make them paradrop. Reduce call in cost to actual unit cost. Change i might consider > Give them 2 MP40s and retain same DPS as now.
Ober: reduce by 20mp. Remove passive suppression at vet4. Replace with same suppression ability as 1919 Paratroopers.
MG34: leave performance.
1-Swap Kubel with MG34. We had already swapped SturmTiger with PIV so i see no problem in this regard.
2-You could leave the Kubel, have an upgrade which unlocks MG34s (125mp; 10f) and replace call in MG34 with MG42.
Amazing idea's, well thought out.
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Im not saying its impossible to get vet 5 units im saying that its far to difficult to get vet 5 units. But we really need some numbers here to propely talk about this can some body dig in the xp requirements for volks vg's and obers. And to make a good comparison give the ones for shocks commando's and rifles as well.
No it is not. I get you would like to have all your units Vet5 in a single game but I don't think OKW was designed this way. What's more there are units that gain veterancy ridiculously fast, like mentioned Fals or Puma.
Puma gets to Vet5 in almost all of my OKW games and I'm not even trying.
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No it is not. I get you would like to have all your units Vet5 in a single game but I don't think OKW was designed this way. What's more there are units that gain veterancy ridiculously fast, like mentioned Fals or Puma.
Puma gets to Vet5 in almost all of my OKW games and I'm not even trying.
I didnt say that. I said the requirements are beyond reason. Talking about it is pointless without hard data anyway. And i dont give a fuck what you do with you puma or any other of your claims.
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Amazing idea's, well thought out.
lol,you think anyone will fall for that..??? hard try mate
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No it is not. I get you would like to have all your units Vet5 in a single game but I don't think OKW was designed this way. What's more there are units that gain veterancy ridiculously fast, like mentioned Fals or Puma.
Puma gets to Vet5 in almost all of my OKW games and I'm not even trying.
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I didnt say that. I said the requirements are beyond reason. Talking about it is pointless without hard data anyway. And i dont give a fuck what you do with you puma or any other of your claims.
Not giving a fuck is a right attitude to have in a discussion. This will achieve plenty for you.
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But then againg OKW was getting constantly nerfed for a year with each patch, so this is what you get. An unplayable, inconsistent faction with no promising "unique" features. A 'fast' Porsche-powered T70 ends the game against them
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I think they're fine at the moment.
There's plenty of playstyles with OKW, it just requires you to get outside your comfort zone slightly.
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Wouldn't it just be easier. To speed up the vet rates of certain units without redoing the entire vet system. Seems like that would make it a lot easier to control from a balance perspective instead of taking a hammer to the whole vet system and chancing screwing up the whole balance.
No, Even vet 0 these guys perform at the appropriate point. And their vet bonuses are also much stronger generally to compensate for how long a game has to be for them to see higher levels of vet.
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Wouldn't it just be easier. To speed up the vet rates of certain units without redoing the entire vet system. Seems like that would make it a lot easier to control from a balance perspective instead of taking a hammer to the whole vet system and chancing screwing up the whole balance.
I think XP based off damage is calculated from the damager's worth against the target's, so I think technically they'd mess around with XP requirements like they did with OKW vehicles before.
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No, Even vet 0 these guys perform at the appropriate point. And their vet bonuses are also much stronger generally to compensate for how long a game has to be for them to see higher levels of vet.
That bolded part is debatable, i would say slightly stronger. but the key problem is that the okw has to sacrifice their ammo and fuel income for this supposed vet. Vet that's nearly unattainable for most okw units and at the moment you see vet 3 rifle and IS blobs left and right. In my opnion the horrendous performance of the okw in general is because of scaling issues.
You cannot expect vet 1 obers to deal with vet 3 IS's ever.
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