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How would you implement something like this when the core of USF and OKW's strats involve lots of a single type of unit by design.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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That lots of same unit type does not have to be centered in the area of the size of capture circle you know, there is plenty of map for them to be at.
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Affecting only core infantry, or some call-ins is the whole point of this. Only spamable units (Grens,Volk,Pzgrens,Fusi,Shocks,Cons etc.) should be affected not support weapons.
I don't agree with you second point about removal of the effect after being stationary. Most blobs deal huge damage when stationary (LMG Grens, LMG Rifles-which have defensive stance- LMG Obers, PTRS Cons).
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Please read what i wrote before responding. I saying IF there is a received accuracy to blobs, it should ONLY count for the CORE INFANTRY units. aka, nerf CORE INFANTRY blobs NOT support weapon blobbing (which can be countered by indirect fire.
Also, for my second point, i said for being stationary AFTER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME so that it will affect lmg grens and PTRS cons but wont affect infantry defending a postion. In other words, the problem isnt a huge stationary blob (which can be countered with indirect fire) but a blob that is moving around the map wiping everything in its path. Get my point?
Read before you reply please and thank you
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It somehow worked in CoH1 to nerf pio spam, it could work for every type of infantry in CoH2 also, my idea is simple, nerf starts affecting squad when there's at least 2 other infantry units (type doesnt matter), in X radius from it, each other infantry unit increases stacking and increases chance to hit this squad by for example 5%, up to 5 stacks, so in very blobby way, one squad could get up to 25% received accuracy penalty (that's 7 squads).
I think this could be great option when current volks blob, PTRS, Zook spam meta is almost in every game
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If you spread your rifles out to much your going to get owned because the enemy can concentrate a lot more power in a smaller area.
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Some people don't remember what it's like not to blob so they keep making this type of argument.
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Can Friendly Fire of small arms stop blobbing?Stop blobbing, yes. Good for the game, no.
If you have 3 units moving in a pack, theoretically the guys in the back won't be able to engage targets to the front. They could, but if they do, RNG might determine that Jimmy might just get shot in the back.
Keep it to Inf units.
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It somehow worked in CoH1 to nerf pio spam, it could work for every type of infantry in CoH2 also, my idea is simple, nerf starts affecting squad when there's at least 2 other infantry units (type doesnt matter), in X radius from it, each other infantry unit increases stacking and increases chance to hit this squad by for example 5%, up to 5 stacks, so in very blobby way, one squad could get up to 25% received accuracy penalty (that's 7 squads).
I think this could be great option when current volks blob, PTRS, Zook spam meta is almost in every game
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How about we remove attack move
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The reason people don't like blobbing is because it's more effective than sending out single units across the map.
A lot of people confuse having a large army with blobbing
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We're not talking about a large army, we're talking about battle groups of 4 BAR/zook rifles + captain or 4 volks + 2 obers or 5 PTRS cons or 4 LMG grens with 2 shrecked pgrens.
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How about we remove attack move
Good there already is such mechanics in game. It's called AoE suppression. All we need is adding AoE suppression to all types of artilery (from mortar to ML-20) and some huge boost to AoE suppression range on ALL MGs. At least 1.5 multiplier of todays values if not 2.0. Some really mild AoE suppression on tank guns can also be considered. These are all quite big high explosive shells, you know.
It in fact has all desired features in it:
1. It works wonders against clumbed squads.
2. It works worse/doesn't work when enemy is in cover.
3. You need to counter the blob, it does not couter itself (like in case of aura).
4. It stops war of blobs (aura doesn't, it just makes blobs disassemble during fights).
Btw it's important to know that one or two mg's should not stop 8 unit blob directed by half minded player. You should need to have at least half of blob's unit count of mg's to counter it.
(2:1 is great ratio in fact and usually it's more as mg's are dirt cheap)
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Good there already is such mechanics in game. It's called AoE suppression. All we need is adding AoE suppression to all types of artilery (from mortar to ML-20) and some huge boost to AoE suppression range on ALL MGs. At least 1.5 multiplier of todays values if not 2.0. Some really mild AoE suppression on tank guns can also be considered. These are all quite big high explosive shells, you know.
It in fact has all desired features in it:
1. It works wonders against clumbed squads.
2. It works worse/doesn't work when enemy is in cover.
3. You need to counter the blob, it does not couter itself (like in case of aura).
4. It stops war of blobs (aura doesn't, it just makes blobs disassemble during fights).
Btw it's important to know that one or two mg's should not stop 8 unit blob directed by half minded player. You should need to have at least half of blob's unit count of mg's to counter it.
(2:1 is great ratio in fact and usually it's more as mg's are dirt cheap)
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I agree for lots of it except the 2:1 ratio of mgs. Mgs are the hard counter to massed infantry. On close quarters maps having 3-4 mgs is just not realistic because a.) theres smoke and b.) Mgs have to set up before the blob arrives and be facing the right direction. Id counter them differently with indirect fire.
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