Commander Overlap a serious problem

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2013, 08:04 AMHux

I'm not arguing to go on a witchhunt to find who gave the green light on the tiger ace but what I am arguing is that a person from relic who has those creative authorities should be directly interacting with the community, at least once a month to do some research on what are the most pressing matters for the game.

The more complicated people make this the less likely Relic will look into it. This thread is simply to gauge peoples interest in a new system along the lines of the one I laid out in post #1, which seems very very high. Thanks friends.

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2013, 15:26 PMWhiteFlash

People are looking way too deep into this. The solution is very simple. Use the branching system I illustrated in page 1, and dont overlap any abilities with commanders. Its that simple, no customizing commanders, nothing fancy. Simplicity is important to making this possible.

Something simple, tactically deep (no overlap) and choice driven (choice tree) will be the elegant solution we are all looking for.

The more complicated people make this the less likely Relic will look into it. This thread is simply to gauge peoples interest in a new system along the lines of the one I laid out in post #1, which seems very very high. Thanks friends.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2013, 15:27 PMLeMazarin

idea is very interesting, it would indeed bring COH2 interest much deeper allowing for more choices so more flexibility in the commander (and I dont think it would worsen the commanders balancewise) but I understand correctly ur suggesting to merge the commanders. If so, I think it might complicated to do so from since those were paid DLC

Id like to see you go further in the idea, eventho it might stay just theory, giving more examples as you did in the OP, to see with how many commanders you will end up with and which commanderes abilities you would find intersting to mix to create brand new commanders.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2013, 18:53 PMTheSoulTrain

Why not use vCoH's system and we are done here.

Oh wait relic are greedy bastards, fuck your pay to win crap, stay dead shit game.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2013, 03:27 AMardenx

Aww, how about some cold kreme for ur buttmad? Stay frosty, padawan.

Anyhoo, I welcome my next set of commanders, and any other DLC they've got lined up for 2014 for that matter. I admit when I first started playing the beta and then learned of the DLC commanders coming I was like "why" but once the game came out and I started getting into the nuances of the individual commanders more, no they're not P2W like the "all DLC is a scam and should be included in the base game forever" whiners insist, they're simply a different way of playing the game, they're fun little diversions, and admittedly I now own most of them, along with all the ToW DLC's, and have not regretted these purchases because I've gotten my money's worth so far. Once new COH2 DLC's stop delivering and stop giving me my money's worth I'll stop buying.

ANd remember kids, optional content is optional.

Jump back to quoted post21 Nov 2013, 01:26 AMWhiteFlash

Commander Overlap

First off, the last big patch was good overall, and props to who worked hard on that, its clear the new commanders have less overlap then the old ones.

Secondly, restructuring the commanders is completely doable and restructuring the commanders now is easier to do then when Relic was first putting them together thats for sure, given that we understand how each ability actually works in the game and there is a wider testing area for implementation.

Given those facts if Relic doesn't want to restructure the commanders to have tactical depth, unique abilities and a feeling that commanders are a big deal (not a side show) in every game, then Relic is either lazy or greedy.

I want to make a specific point when I say Relic I don't mean the people at the ground level doing the work, testing and creating. Rather, I'm pointing at whoever are the decision makers at the top who decided it was okay to overlap abilities, some up to five times. The people at the top need to get a grip on this and understand this is a serious problem, and more importantly, that it can and should be fixed.

Having said that, The new commanders (as you will see) have less overlap and its clear Relic understands my point to a certain level. But the overlap continues and the old commanders absolutely need to be overhauled in order for them to actually feel like commanders.

Take a look at the amount of overlap. Colors represent #of times that an ability overlaps with another commander.

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Instead of having commanders unlock in a strait line, which is boring and tactically shallow, the choice system should be implemented as follows (just an example of what the choice setup is, not an actual commander)

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2014, 19:19 PMWhiteFlash

I believe Relic is more than capable of doing this its the elegant solution we've all been looking for. There are ways to satisfy people who have already purchased commanders, that wouldn't stop this idea from moving forward.

It would be worth it for us, it would be worth it for them.

I don't mind seeing new factions, but not at the cost of the commander system staying the way it is.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2014, 19:19 PMWhiteFlash

I believe Relic is more than capable of doing this its the elegant solution we've all been looking for. There are ways to satisfy people who have already purchased commanders, that wouldn't stop this idea from moving forward.

It would be worth it for us, it would be worth it for them.

I don't mind seeing new factions, but not at the cost of the commander system staying the way it is.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2014, 19:30 PMAffe

Relic already said that they won t Change the stupid commander System.They are not interested in giving the People what they want.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2014, 19:30 PMAffe

Relic already said that they won t Change the stupid commander System.They are not interested in giving the People what they want.