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Tigertank987
21 Jul 2021, 03:13 AM
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I have always wanted the Panzer IIIs in COH. They would make a great early game tank unit which equally has several different variants that could be built, upgraded, or used as call ins.

Here we are with COH3 next year and not a single mention of the Panzer III. I know it is very early but, the short clip they showed of the Africa Champaign was featuring Panzer IVs. I know COH is not 100% historically accurate, but to omit a tank that saw extensive production, service until the end of the war, and make a game with a theater in which it was a centerpiece seems odd.

For a little insight with the information I have on hand from George F. Nafziger's, The German Order of Battle: Panzers and Artillery in World War II.

15th Panzer Division Organization on 25, May 1942. The Panzer inventory is as follows for the 8th Panzer Regiment-
  • PzMk II...........................................29
  • PzMk III(50)...................................131
  • PzMk III(lg).......................................3
  • PzMk IV (kz)....................................22



Likewise the 21st Panzer Division Organization on 25, May 1942. The Panzer inventory of the 5th Panzer Regiment-

  • PzMk II...........................................29
  • PzMk III(50)...................................107
  • PzMk III(lg).....................................15
  • PzMk IV(kz).....................................19




(kz) short barreled 75mm gun
(lg) 141/1 L/60 50mm gun
(50) 141 L/42 50mm gun


This is extremely basic and NOT a comprehensive break down of battalions, as I would need to take some serious time to convey the reorganization of the divisions over the time of their existence. With that being said, please feel free to correct me at your leisure or if that is something that would interest you in seeing here. The main idea I am trying get across is that Panzer IIIs made up a significant portion of German armored forces during this period and it would be a shame not to see them in game.
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Lucas Troy
21 Jul 2021, 04:37 AM
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I think the issue may be that COH2 did not have Panzer 3s, so adding them to 3 would require more resources than just sticking with the Panzer 4. From my time with the alpha I didn’t see a lot of new models so I think Relic may intend to stick closer to existing models.

Or maybe I’m wrong and they’re gonna roll out tons of new assets in the next year and a half. I don’t really know since they haven’t spoken about it. It would be nice if Relic could give more detail about what they intend to change, so that the feedback could be more useful.


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Strummingbird
21 Jul 2021, 04:45 AM
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I'd speculate that the upcoming DAK faction will feature panzer IIIs.
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Willy Pete
21 Jul 2021, 07:11 AM
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Absolutely. If they have things like black prince but no panzer 3 this game is already looking a bit strange

History aint everything, but it would be nice to be a little closer to it
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Spanky
21 Jul 2021, 08:17 AM
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probably will be in another faction.
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Hannibal
21 Jul 2021, 08:38 AM
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I really hope they will implement it as a cheap German mainline. Or maybe in between lights and mediums so that it can be used in conjunction with P4s as historically intended.
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mr.matrix300
21 Jul 2021, 08:40 AM
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Why not add short barreld Panzer III to Italy Axis and make it fill a similar role to Chaffee?

DAK should and could of course get long barrel Panzer 3
jump backJump back to quoted post2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.






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jump backJump back to quoted post2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.




jump backJump back to quoted post12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you




jump backJump back to quoted post18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not









jump backJump back to quoted post2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.







jump backJump back to quoted post12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you







jump backJump back to quoted post18 Aug 2020, 04:11 AMCODGUY
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.







jump backJump back to quoted post18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not







jump backJump back to quoted post2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.






jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jun 2020, 19:21 PMIncendiaryRounds:)

u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.




jump backJump back to quoted post12 Aug 2020, 10:02 AMProtos Angelus


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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.



jump backJump back to quoted post12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you




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Katitof
21 Jul 2021, 09:33 AM
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Relics aversion to P3 or generally early war tanks is matched only by their fetish-like lust for P5 and P6.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Just Perfect
21 Jul 2021, 10:04 AM
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Perplexing that we got a Panzer 2 before a Panzer 3
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Cardboard Tank
21 Jul 2021, 10:39 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2021, 09:33 AMKatitof
Relics aversion to P3 or generally early war tanks is matched only by their fetish-like lust for P5 and P6.
Ah, yes. These are the problem and not some post war prototype tanks they just squeezed into the game. It's the German heavies that were produced by the thousands. At this point it's getting ridiculous.
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Katitof
21 Jul 2021, 11:02 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2021, 10:04 AMJust Perfect
Perplexing that we got a Panzer 2 before a Panzer 3

Well, technically we got Luchs, which was late(r) war repurposed and upgraded P2 to serve in reconnaissance role.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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mr.matrix300
21 Jul 2021, 11:54 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2021, 11:02 AMKatitof

Well, technically we got Luchs, which was late(r) war repurposed and upgraded P2 to serve in reconnaissance role.


Well technically we got the Stug III
jump backJump back to quoted post2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.






Playing with randoms





jump backJump back to quoted post2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.




jump backJump back to quoted post12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you




jump backJump back to quoted post18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not









jump backJump back to quoted post2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.







jump backJump back to quoted post12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you







jump backJump back to quoted post18 Aug 2020, 04:11 AMCODGUY
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.







jump backJump back to quoted post18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not







jump backJump back to quoted post2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.






jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jun 2020, 19:21 PMIncendiaryRounds:)

u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.




jump backJump back to quoted post12 Aug 2020, 10:02 AMProtos Angelus


Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken





jump backJump back to quoted post12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.



jump backJump back to quoted post12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you




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nigo
21 Jul 2021, 11:59 AM
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Wehraboos don't like Panzer 3.

Thats the reason.
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BetterDead ThanRed
21 Jul 2021, 14:51 PM
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would love to see the P3, but i supposes its too similar to P4 really make it worth implementing
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PatFenis
21 Jul 2021, 15:02 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2021, 14:51 PMBetterDead ThanRed
would love to see the P3, but i supposes its too similar to P4 really make it worth implementing


I dont think its that, P.III's specifcally later models with spaced armor are quite distinct (epecially viewed top down)

I agree with the sentiment, that its probably not as popular of a tank compared to the PIV. Its really a shame though that so far the P.III is not confirmed.
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Spoof
21 Jul 2021, 20:20 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2021, 09:33 AMKatitof
Relics aversion to P3 or generally early war tanks is matched only by their fetish-like lust for P5 and P6.

This. You forgot the PIV though.
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Katitof
21 Jul 2021, 21:18 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2021, 11:59 AMnigo
Wehraboos don't like Panzer 3.

Thats the reason.

That's... probably it.

Everyone cooms about P4 to 6.

jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2021, 20:20 PMSpoof

This. You forgot the PIV though.

But P4 was a common sight in both, early and late war, if one german tank should be used as iconic, its P4.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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22 Jul 2021, 07:17 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2021, 09:33 AMKatitof
Relics aversion to P3 or generally early war tanks is matched only by their fetish-like lust for P5 and P6.


Don't have much to add, this is pure truth. I was really hoping Afrika and Italy would be early-mid war, but it seems we're stuck in a 1945 timeloop again.
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Katitof
22 Jul 2021, 07:59 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2021, 07:17 AMMr. Someguy


Don't have much to add, this is pure truth. I was really hoping Afrika and Italy would be early-mid war, but it seems we're stuck in a 1945 timeloop again.

And as much as I hate it, first Tigers appeared already in Afrika under Rommel.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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22 Jul 2021, 08:14 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2021, 09:33 AMKatitof
Relics aversion to P3 or generally early war tanks is matched only by their fetish-like lust for P5 and P6.


only a small fraction of forum boys want early war stuff.

the majority wants the famous tanks.

The fault isnt at Relic
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