Infantry combat

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 14:11 PMBetterDead ThanRed

maybe allow for slow, medium or fast in game settings when playing multiplayer? if things are going too fast for you?

lamented the speed change in SC2

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 14:19 PMKieselberg

IMo it is the opposite. I remember times, when a mortar could wipe whole squads with one shell. Over time coh2 became more arcady and less deadly.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 14:49 PMVipper

The more deadly the weapon less time one has to react and use cover/other advantage so the game becomes more arcade and less strategic.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 14:59 PMSander93

Ah yes, nothing more strategic than heavy cover versus heavy cover fights lasting up to literal minutes or infantry charging over open ground and barely taking any damage. It is not the other way around, fast TTK forces people to carefully plan their manoeuvres and positioning to either maximise the use of cover or to minimalize the damage on approach. If TTK was low, you could just blob and straight up overrun everything.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:04 PMCrecer13

I have to ask a question. Are you playing this game or just numbers? Because entering the game now you can see a typical picture of a blob that walks and melts everything around.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:10 PMSander93

I play high level teamgames where good players usually know how to punish blobs, so they are not really an issue. Still, blobs can always be effective. Lowering TTK would not weaken them though, it would just make them even stronger, because it would make using cover against them less effective.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 14:59 PMSander93

Ah yes, nothing more strategic than heavy cover versus heavy cover fights lasting up to literal minutes or infantry charging over open ground and barely taking any damage.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 14:59 PMSander93

It is not the other way around, fast TTK forces people to carefully plan their manoeuvres and positioning to either maximise the use of cover or to minimalize the damage on approach. If TTK was low, you could just blob and straight up overrun everything.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 14:49 PMVipper

Actually it is the other way round. The more deadly the weapon less time one has to react and use cover/other advantage so the game becomes more arcade and less strategic.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:23 PMHannibal

As per usual, there is a sweet spot. TTK must be short enough to be punished for mistakes before you can react, while being long enough to even react at all.
Games that have very short TTKs are usually designed with dispensable units (like Supreme Commander and the AoE series), which is obviously not the case for Coh2. Still, the whole cover and retreat system as well as the scale of the game circle around punishing bad unit positioning on a micro level. If you keep increasing the TTK you will almost remove some of CoH2's core mechanics at some point.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 07:49 AMCrecer13

I noticed that in the latest versions of the game, the infantry is simply crazy melting other infantry. If you look at the versions of several years ago, there is no such thing. I think need to slightly slow down the pace of the game and either slightly reduce the damage for all infantry, or it can reduce accuracy or some other options.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:35 PMEtherealDragon

What do you mean "latest versions of the games" there hasn't been any significant changes to infantry combat outside of typical balance tweaks and none of those changes were aimed at increasing lethality to a large degree. If anything a lot of changes were aimed at changing units to be more consistent damage and less frustrating OHKs. What changes do you think made things too lethal? Otherwise this just comes off as "my reaction times are too slow, please nerf".

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:16 PMVipper

There is very little reason plan anything carefully if the fight is going to last second since micro becomes more important that than macro and even the most carefully plant attack can fail due to a split second event

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:16 PMVipper

Now between fights that last minutes and unit that disappear in second there is middle ground.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:39 PMCrecer13

I say what I see and feel and I see that the infantry is simply melting other infantry.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:44 PMSander93

Hyperbole much? Infantry fights do not last mere seconds.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:44 PMSander93

Of course there is a reason to plan attacks carefully if your infantry won't survive for too long outside of cover. It makes flanking, moving from cover to cover, covering fire, using smoke or other abilities, etc. mandatory rather than just charging straight in. That is what makes the game tactical.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:44 PMSander93

CoH2 already has that middle ground. Infantry fights generally last long enough to reward cover and still allow for proper assaults, while punishing bad positioning or just getting caught out of position. And not because squads out of cover get melted in seconds, but because they'll usually drop one or two models before recovering so that they can no longer win that fight.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 15:44 PMSander93

Absolutely nothing changed in infantry TTK over the past 2-3 years, except for a handful of specific units that had their DPS or durability individually tweaked slightly.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2021, 14:59 PMSander93

Ah yes, nothing more strategic than heavy cover versus heavy cover fights lasting up to literal minutes or infantry charging over open ground and barely taking any damage. It is not the other way around, fast TTK forces people to carefully plan their manoeuvres and positioning to either maximise the use of cover or to minimalize the damage on approach. If TTK was low, you could just blob and straight up overrun everything.