Sandbags nerfed enough? Nope

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2021, 00:34 AMWhiteFlash

There may be a case to have volks build sandbags at a snails pace, otherwise as stated above stands.

People that dont know "what it accomplishes" dont remember how good COH was when the maps mattered because sandbags werent literally everywhere you look.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2021, 00:34 AMWhiteFlash

People that dont know "what it accomplishes" dont remember how good COH was when the maps mattered because sandbags werent literally everywhere you look.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2021, 00:47 AMPip

Haven't Conscripts always had their sandbags, though?

And in CoH1, both Riflemen and Volksgrenadiers had Sandbags, Panzergrenadiers instead had Roadblocks, which were fairly similar. The only mainline that DIDN'T have sandbags were the Infantry sections (Instead having the Slit Trench), though Sappers did have Sandbags in their stead.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2021, 23:52 PMLady Xenarra

Would love to know how volks/IS are supposed to be used (outside of blobs) without sandbags.....

• Conscripts are utility infantry that relies on cover to win any engagement, so they should keep their sandbags.
• Infantry Sections should keep theirs, or be reworked without the cover penalty.
• Riflemen have theirs only with doctrine which I think is fine, but they could be moved to Rear Echelon as a non-doctrine ability.
• Volksgrenadiers should have theirs removed because they're already efficient units for their price-point.
  

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2021, 02:35 AMTobis

Sandbags should be removed from every mainline except for conscripts. This will require some rebalancing for volks and tommies but it is necessary. What's the point in map design if every point has a perfect set of green cover on it? It makes blobbing more useful as a counter and makes positioning less important.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2021, 02:35 AMTobis

Sandbags should be removed from every mainline except for conscripts. This will require some rebalancing for volks and tommies but it is necessary

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2021, 23:17 PMWhiteFlash

https://clips.twitch.tv/MoldyIronicDurianEleGiggle-CmY87g5SeW0C4e5m

For the love of science...

Do either:

1. +50% or double sandbag build time on mainline inf

Or

2. Remove sandbags from mainline inf entirely

...in both cases keep engineers build time normal

Cheers

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2021, 07:15 AMSander93

Ideally? Yes. Practically? Too many ripple effects on balance that we won't be able to solve in one patch that may be the last.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2021, 10:50 AMblvckdream

This.

If sandbags were removed from mainline infantry the balance would go completely out of control and require several patches to get right again. Which is just totally unrealistic at this point of COH2's life span.

You can't just remove sandbags from certain factions relying on them. Imagine playing UKF vs Ostheer without sandbags it would be incredibly hard/next to impossible to compete. Same goes for Conscripts without sandbags or even Volks. All of these factions are balanced around having sandbags available for them.

OKW Sturms are already overtasked as it is if they had to build sandbags as well it would completely ruin the whole faction's early game and would be totally unfair compared to factions like Soviets or Ostheer that can get cheap T0 engineer units.

It would also be yet another step into making all factions play the same which just makes the game boring.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2021, 10:56 AMVipper

As for OKW it rather "funny" that the "aggressive" faction get sandbag in their mainline infatry and "defensive" faction does not.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2021, 11:20 AMLetzte Bataillon

Indeed. Considering that LMG Grenadiers can't even shoot while on the move, it's baffling Relic decided this was a good idea when designing the different armies.