Maybe move the (now reduced cost to compensate for unit cost gate) anywhere flare to this vehicle? Semi-serious suggestion.
Make it the same price as other unit flares and it would be fine I think.
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Maybe move the (now reduced cost to compensate for unit cost gate) anywhere flare to this vehicle? Semi-serious suggestion.
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All offmap flares should be swapped out for recon planes imo.
Also when tanks are getting repaired they give off a not dissimilar glow effect that can make it harder to spot the spotting flares above.
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I think a big lumbering recon plane does not spark 'spec ops' to me, but I know nothing
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I think a big lumbering recon plane does not spark 'spec ops' to me, but I know nothing
#Bring back Raketen mobile camo for Spec Ops tank terror?
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You literally just mocked people who thought the Rak was OP, and this is your suggestion? Lol okay
Let's not bring back one of the most cancerous things that's ever been in the game please. Thanks
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Yeah but a flare providing reconnaissance during broad daylight makes plenty of sense... Forget the time of day it's a fucking flare. How does it provide recon ever???
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I was being humorous! I would like to see it back, but I acknowledge that it's gone probably for the better
None of this game makes any real life sense, though there are thematic flavors and I don't think that can be denied.
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I don't disagree that there are themes, but balance should take priority. Feel free to give another suggestion besides recon plane, the flares should be replaced. Same goes for early warning
I believe someone suggested making it doc flares for ISG. Could bundle that with something else cause that's pretty limited on its own
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Tell that to HelpingHans then, he doesn't seem to know it and uses it with great results all the time in 1v1 and team games alike.
Just because something is not the definitive go-to hardcore meta does not mean its not viable.
Spec OPs flares are OP and it couldn't be more irrelevant which doctrine they are in.
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Yeah but a flare providing reconnaissance during broad daylight makes plenty of sense... Forget the time of day it's a fucking flare. How does it
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They provided much more than you have. You haven't provided anything at all
What are you trying to say? It makes no sense to compare those abilities and it only works against your point, as I just showed you
Can you answer the question? Why does it need to be uncounterable? Why can't we just replace it with a recon plane?
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Brits have no control where their flares go.
Soviets do not have unlimited range flares, which again, OKW got sov version too on PFs.
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Stuka were often use in combinaison with the IR HF for obvious reasons, now that it is gone, flares took its place.
Panzerwerfer still find some use but the unit itself is bad so flares can help negate the really long launch time (wind up) of the launcher.
I talked about the T-70 because after the midgame it can find some use as a recon with it's vets and recon mode, I failed to find a similar use to the Puma but I don't play it often either.
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What non-doc recon unit does have the OKW now that the IR-HT has been...rework?
Every faction have one: M20 for the USF, 222 for the Ostheer, T-70 for the SU, Snipers for SU,Ostheer and UKF, non-doc upgrades on vehicule and infantry for UKF.
You said that if the T-70 (with vets and recon mode) is a reco for the SU, so is the Puma (No vet or anything to make it so) for the OKW, and and I pointed out that's not really the case, you got stuck on the T-70 and I had to rectify what you said about it, I don't "keep bringung up the T-70".
failed to find a similar use to the Puma but I don't play it often either
I'm not even suppose to tell you why the flares should remain the same, it's up to you to tell us why it should get nerf, because right now aside from "uncounterable" like more than 70% of commander capabilities there is no argument. You just complain because it is a UNIQUE ABILITY OF ONE COMMANDER of the OKW, and so it must be OP because Ally don't get acces to it, exactly like Axis don't have a single Self-propelled gun. Taking one ability without considering it's place within the whole faction/game is just pointless and that's what this thread is doing.
Ostheer sees and lot of play isn't revelant since there is 2 Axis faction.
OKW seems to be considered the worst faction in 1vs1.
The UTT2 tournament, where those "flares" should be OP and give immediate victory according to this very thread, just showed how much the axis side got destroyed in every match (you can save you some time by just watching the final on Stormless channel).
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Moving to C.Pan wold mean the ability would butchered since it would become available allot later while require a very expensive in order to be used. It would simply not be worth as commander since a similar ability is available to soviet mortar.
Unless you are suggesting to become a buff to C. Pan and to add a new ability to the commander.
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