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So for as low as 60 munitions cost; because the only way to counter flares is to move units out, your opponent can force you to abandon your whole frontline and defensive positions on a map like rails and metal. And you think this is ok? Are u ok?
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So for as low as 60 munitions cost; because the only way to counter flares is to move units out, your opponent can force you to abandon your whole frontline and defensive positions on a map like rails and metal. And you think this is ok? Are u ok?
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let me remind you that exactly this is your only option vs all arty area abiltys: move your whole armys away from it.
only that this flares makes zero dmg to your units...thats why its cheaper.
brits have alot of abiltys which makes you move all your units out of this place.even this bs basis arty from them require exact the same: move ur units. bs..rigth?
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What is the duration, area of effect and cost of those said abilities? Let's have some comparisons made between those, spec ops flare and the UKF flare thingy.
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Jesus Christ, Spec Ops is in a wheelchair as is. How many times do people even use it? As a doc it's inferior to GO, Feuer, Jagdtiger, hell even Overwatch.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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The CD of the ability is too low, one should start from there and see how it goes.
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No, imo the whole ability needs to be replaced or put in the Com.panther within a fixed range. Obviously no need to butcher it, but cooldown alone isn't nearly enough to justify that it cannot be countered in anyway other than holding both muni points.
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The OKW doesn't have any scout units or other capabilities to scout (no sniper/222/T-70/M-20 and the stuka smoke strafe isn't a proper reco). The IR-HT got nerfed which was needed but is still a big impact on a core unit of the OKW, if you see more flares it is because that's the only remaining option for the OKW and the whole axis side.
Those flares are critical for the OKW and that's why they are criticizes. To counter the arty dominance of the Allies, flares are needed. To use properly the panzerwerfer, you need those flares. Both axis rocket arty are "precise strike" and not "wiping area machine".
Plus most of the "meta" Ostheer commander doesn't have reco plane, nerfing flares will just make the need of Elephant+Scope even more present.
So instead of crying out an OP ability which lasted for a decade (exactly like the T-70 is to the SU) and which is part of every teamgames tactics, try to give them first other viable options and see if it remain a must-have ability.
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Honestly the planes and flare should be made more specific how they function. Planes should reveal more area but can be shot down. Flares cant be shot but area they reveal should be very limited.
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yeah lets compare it with the brit commander which has not only the flares in a doc..with the sexton...no..it even has the overwatch abiltys which last 2minutes...and bombard all targets and deny any push/ capping try..this shit is op as fuck
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The OKW doesn't have any scout units or other capabilities to scout (no sniper/222/T-70/M-20 and the stuka smoke strafe isn't a proper reco). The IR-HT got nerfed which was needed but is still a big impact on a core unit of the OKW, if you see more flares it is because that's the only remaining option for the OKW and the whole axis side.
Those flares are critical for the OKW and that's why they are criticizes. To counter the arty dominance of the Allies, flares are needed. To use properly the panzerwerfer, you need those flares. Both axis rocket arty are "precise strike" and not "wiping area machine".
Plus most of the "meta" Ostheer commander doesn't have reco plane, nerfing flares will just make the need of Elephant+Scope even more present.
So instead of crying out an OP ability which lasted for a decade (exactly like the T-70 is to the SU) and which is part of every teamgames tactics, try to give them first other viable options and see if it remain a must-have ability.
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So because OKW dont have a "scout unit" they should instead have something that is OP nd we are supposed to be OK with that?
Noone is saying get rid of all OKW scout options, just sort the flares out, replace it with a loiter plane and job done.
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I can partially agree, but I'd still like to point out a few things:
1. The Stuka and Panzerwerfer are regularly played even if the commanders to not own a recon loiter or pass/flares.
2. If we neglect doctrinal recon then UKF and USF were also in quite a bad spot. They have a recon pass on one single unit, but none of these factions has non-doc heavy artillery which makes it less problematic
If you count the T70, you should not forget that OKW also gets the Puma as a recon unit though. I agree that Axis overall (mostly due to SOVs plentiful stock recon options though) lack a bit of recon. However, arguing with Axis' more precise rocket artillery twists it the wrong way. If Axis already have the ability to concentrate that much damage on a small area and thereby can wipe squads more easily, it should be more challenging to prepare these strikes. The OKW flare just makes it too easy.
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Nothing proved that it is OP, and if so, maybe it's for the greater good like the T-70.
And as every plane can be shot down, all faction relying on it have other option to not be ultra dependant (often non doctrinal). OKW now only has those flare and are so important that it justify taking the only commander who has it. So as I stated, nothing proves that it is OP, but everything point out that it has an important place in the OKW and teamgames.
Flares are strong and it must be considering the role it has to fulfill.
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Noice, exactly like the T-70, maybe it is because it has a purpose and claiming without thinking that it is OP is just nonsense?
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