Does someone play it ?
I tried to play it but I think it's not really worth
For me because:
- both germans have directly panzerfaust to counter it (for instance me, as soviet player, the Oberkomando's jeep is only annoying until I get anti-tank grenades, after I can easily kill lit)
- Maybe to expensive in fuel, it cost 15 fuel, and so if you make a M3A1 you will have tank a bit later
- very very weak
Honestly I used it only once or twice to try to kill a sniper. But otherwise i don't see the power of this unit and I am sad when i am doing my T1 to see I have something not usefull.
So maybe i just use it very bad a someone knows how to play it correctly ?
M3A1, can we talk about IT ?
27 May 2020, 10:30 AM
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27 May 2020, 10:35 AM
#2
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OKW do not have faust at start only AT grenades on Panzer F.
CE with flamer in M3A1 can cause mayhem in enemy lines, clear HMG in garrison and get wipes on retreats.
The unit can also counter the kubel.
CE with flamer in M3A1 can cause mayhem in enemy lines, clear HMG in garrison and get wipes on retreats.
The unit can also counter the kubel.
27 May 2020, 10:37 AM
#3
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OKW do not have faust at start only AT grenades on Panzer F.
CE with flamer in M3A1 can cause mayhem in enemy lines, clear HMG in garrison and get wipes on retreats.
The unit can also counter the kubel.
M3A1 + flamer is only usefull during retreated otherwise, panzerfaust and ciao
27 May 2020, 10:45 AM
#4
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The unit is generally best avoided, and the 15 fuel are to be invested elsewhere. It is just a resource trap. It has some use in 1on1/2on2 if you opponent goes heavy or double sniper play, but nobody does that anymore.
27 May 2020, 10:53 AM
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It is only useful for the first 2-5 minutes. As soon as he appears, the player will immediately take countermeasures which, in the next skirmish, will most likely destroy M3A1. Another point. Even if M3A1 is not destroyed during 5 minutes after the start of the game, then it is useless. You do not even approach the enemy because an anti-tank gun / faust / mine will stick out from every corner. I somehow got the 3rd level of veteran M3A1. And it was just a useless 3rd level vet unit. In a late game (if you still save the M3A1), it does not have any useful ability or a vet bonus Its has no mime, no intelligence, no medicine. This is just a 5 minute unit.
27 May 2020, 11:01 AM
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M3A1 + flamer is only usefull during retreated otherwise, panzerfaust and ciao
OKW do not have faust early so it useful vs OKW.
It also useful vs Ostheer HMG that are not support by grenadier. It can also be used against single grenadier since even if they manage to faust you simply can disembark drive them away with flamer and repair.
27 May 2020, 13:23 PM
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I'm not a high level Soviet player but I still find it useful as a shock unit. The time window is very short but if you get it just when you get 60 muni and put a flamer on your engineers (the classic meme strat) and you have good micro, it can really wreck for the next minute... maybe two.
Don't know if this works at all in top 100 games tho, I rarely saw it there as axis
Don't know if this works at all in top 100 games tho, I rarely saw it there as axis
27 May 2020, 13:24 PM
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P.S. shouldn't this be in the strategy forum? Let's make that alive again 
27 May 2020, 13:28 PM
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P.S. shouldn't this be in the strategy forum? Let's make that alive again
Strategy forum would imply there is something wrong with player using it, not the unit and we all know every single CoH2 player is a seasoned high end tournament player who never makes a single mistake, so natural conclusion, obviously, is a balance problem, always.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
27 May 2020, 14:00 PM
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Strategy forum would imply there is something wrong with player using it, not the unit and we all know every single CoH2 player is a seasoned high end tournament player who never makes a single mistake, so natural conclusion, obviously, is a balance problem, always.
spot-on and accurate!
but to the op's question: if you want to see how to use the m3 creatively and (sometimes not so) effectively i recommed watching vonivan's stream
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27 May 2020, 15:04 PM
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It is a somewhat ok counter for sniper play, but I agree with the sentiment that it's only a 5 minute unit, and the fuel would be best spent elsewhere.
Many other units have been given upgrades to make them more useful if they survive to the late game. This one hasn't. It would be interesting to see something like a medic or ambulance upgrade for it that gets unlocked at T4.
Many other units have been given upgrades to make them more useful if they survive to the late game. This one hasn't. It would be interesting to see something like a medic or ambulance upgrade for it that gets unlocked at T4.
27 May 2020, 15:12 PM
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Too much risk, too little reward. Maybe if you manage to steal an mg thanks to it, it pays for itself. I would develop it to become a spotter unit. Maybe sort of t-70 treatment with extra sight mode that disables weapons and later allows capping.
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27 May 2020, 15:27 PM
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Too much risk, too little reward. Maybe if you manage to steal an mg thanks to it, it pays for itself. I would develop it to become a spotter unit. Maybe sort of t-70 treatment with extra sight mode that disables weapons and later allows capping.
The scout car with veterancy already gets vision almost equal to a vetted T70 in recon mode.
27 May 2020, 16:44 PM
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P.S. shouldn't this be in the strategy forum? Let's make that alive again
I think both were acceptable here, good call though.
/moved
@OP, It's a shock unit with a limited window. Good vs OKW, less good vs OST. I honestly avoid T1 all together vs OST and it isn't phenominal against OKW either currently but it is better. You can even throw a penal inside of it before the flamer and they'll (probably) be protected from small arms while they can engage units at close range and do a lot of damage.
27 May 2020, 17:37 PM
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The scout car with veterancy already gets vision almost equal to a vetted T70 in recon mode.
Hmm. Didn't know. Thx
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27 May 2020, 17:43 PM
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Maybe the answer is that those trucks should absorb damage first instead of infantry, and when they die, troops inside should leave them healthy. It would add many possibilities related to sacrificing such trucks but leaving troops inside in a better tactical position on the map and fully healthy. Seems like a nice trade off. Would add a lot variety, especially if those guys inside were even less effective with some more nerds to their accuracy when inside.
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Maybe the answer is that those trucks should absorb damage first instead of infantry, and when they die, troops inside should leave them healthy. It would add many possibilities related to sacrificing such trucks but leaving troops inside in a better tactical position on the map and fully healthy. Seems like a nice trade off. Would add a lot variety, especially if those guys inside were even less effective with some more nerds to their accuracy when inside.
Technically you can do that with a good enough reaction. If you select the unit inside and right-click move them out before the clown car dies, you can save the squad.
1 Jun 2020, 17:01 PM
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Technically you can do that with a good enough reaction. If you select the unit inside and right-click move them out before the clown car dies, you can save the squad.
Yep. True. But they do get damaged when inside together with the halftrack. The halfrack should absorb the damage and after it dies the squad/s inside should be full health imo. I think it used to be like that. But it got reverted instead of nerfing accuracy or even dps from the units inside. Now, since the accuracy got nerfed for units inside the damage could be reverted (maybe together with even more penalties on dps of the units shooting from inside).
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Lady Xenarra: Does anyone else think that USF needs buffs? It feels like they’re on life support sometimes
01 Apr 2025, 02:36 AM
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Willy Pete: @Rosbone Ahh I missed that memo. I still think its a bad decision though. Adds frustration for players and isnt gonna make them that much money
27 Mar 2025, 15:46 PM
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Rosbone: It is also good they left it free until after the free to play weekend. Points for that.
27 Mar 2025, 09:34 AM
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Rosbone: But I agree, the cost to get a full decent Coh game pushing $115 US is not the best idea. Especially when it needs so much more work for casuals.
27 Mar 2025, 09:32 AM
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Rosbone: To be fair, it was a thank you to early fans right? They said it was not free for long and it would become a pay DLC at some point.
27 Mar 2025, 09:30 AM
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Willy Pete: Re-releasing free DLC so they can charge new players money for it. Brilliant marketing strategy 
27 Mar 2025, 04:31 AM
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Rosbone: Congrats to Relic. Looks like Coh3 has finally usurped Coh2 s the popular Coh. You smell terrific. 
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24 Mar 2025, 02:46 AM
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Nickbn: and again someone else replies. I mean come on guys. Give @adamírcz a chance
22 Mar 2025, 14:00 PM
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Nickbn: @Rosbone it's incredibly rude to speak on someone elses behalf, especially when a question is directly adressed to them. I understand your passion for the subject at hand but I want to hear from him.
20 Mar 2025, 10:16 AM
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Rosbone: @Nickbn No, I am just saying people should not be using any Relic owned forum since they have proven they ban anyone who says true things about Coh3.
18 Mar 2025, 19:01 PM
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Nickbn: @Rosbone do you speak on his behalf? I didn't know. In that case keep us updated please.
18 Mar 2025, 16:47 PM
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Rosbone: @Nickbn True except, the only people on the Relic Discord/Reddit/Steam are brain washed monkey zealots. They wont even understand what @adamírcz is talking about. Anyone else is banned.
16 Mar 2025, 17:54 PM
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Nickbn: @adamírcz might be a better idea to voice this to relic directly than to voice it here, in a shoutbox of a nearly deade fansite #justsaying...
16 Mar 2025, 16:36 PM
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adamírcz: So, I just got a leaver penalty without even getting onto the loading screen because of the game disconnecting, bravo Relic
14 Mar 2025, 10:45 AM
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Rosbone: It is an indicator of the very short sighted capitalist view that plagues any company where leadership does not understand the product.
13 Mar 2025, 20:00 PM
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13 Mar 2025, 19:58 PM
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13 Mar 2025, 19:56 PM
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Rosbone: If I did play coh3 and was mainly a skirmish player, I would be pissed and probably stop playing. And it has been like this since release. Why? I would not tell my friends to buy a game I am not even playing. Lost sales and angered users.
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
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Rosbone: I am just saddened how Relic keeps hurting themselves by not fixing 5 minute things like menus. Why anger users with stuff that could be fixed in minutes???
13 Mar 2025, 19:50 PM
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Rosbone: I was wondering why people think I was raging. I think it was when I said "because coh3 sucks so bad". That was not my opinion. Just a general feel from top players/streamers. I dont play Coh3 and have NO opinion of it.
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12 Mar 2025, 11:18 AM
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Rosbone: So it was a systemic failure across multiple disciplines and check points.
12 Mar 2025, 04:30 AM
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Rosbone: Knowing how companies work, I imagine a new hire making the menus. The API they are using is complicated and things were hard to figure out. But at some point QA or management should have addressed these things. Usually within 6 months of starting.
12 Mar 2025, 04:29 AM
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12 Mar 2025, 03:59 AM
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theekvn: and please Rosbone,I know you hate Coh3 to the bone due to your drama with relic, Still, Can you give a proper point of view instead of raging ?.
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KoRneY: @aerafield It's possible that it is underpriced for what it is capable of now, no need to go full retard and take it immediately as a massive problem. It costs 60 more MP than a pz.3 and in 2v2 the barrage can be quite strong.
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