IL2 Precision strike seems uncounterable

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2020, 23:30 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Probably not possible to code it.

How about scuttling so that half the cost is returned?

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2020, 00:13 AMelchino7

Probably.

The problem is that a buff on Howitzers can make them really cancerous on 3v3+

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2020, 23:33 PMGrumpy

100% agreed, which is why I don't really want to see any buffs for howitzers. Having units randomly disappear doesn't make for fun games.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2020, 22:50 PMelchino7

You can't realistically counter single pass planes in a real game against a player who selects the shortest route possible.

You need the AA unit to be in position, not hitting anything on the ground, having it's cannons aligned, having full clip and somehow having vision from the side the plane is coming around.

Special bonus if you try to counter recon planes, cause the crashing plane provides vision as well.

https://www.coh2.org/topic/83547/vision-offmap-planes

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2020, 22:56 PMelchino7

My brainstorm idea:

Howitzers and Pak43 like units get their crew to behave like USF vehicles. They can abandon the weapon which would self destruct (have to think of this in order to avoid abuse) but they have the ability to re-construct their weapon and crew it themselves for half the cost.

You need to be fast to react and the offmap still deals some economic damage.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2020, 02:40 AMthedarkarmadillo

The amount of times I've shot down a recon plane only for it to crash into what it was likely trying to recon for a strike is embarrassing and appalling quite frankly....

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2020, 00:15 AMT.R. Stormjäger

I think a performance nerf and a survivability buff would make them more viable overall and less frustrating.

Maybe allow scuttle for 50%/75% of resources, but nerf AoE of shells? Could also nerf range, which means closer to danger so harder to keep alive.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2020, 23:30 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Probably not possible to code it.

How about scuttling so that half the cost is returned?

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2020, 08:47 AMDarkpiatre

That's why the lack of Self-Propelled gun is quite problematic for the axis side in team game.

Overall you will always lose if you let the game turn into an arty contest, so try to end it before or pressure enough.

The best exemple to figure it out is most game on Rzhev, I think everyone already played a game like that.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2020, 10:08 AMPrinceps

Wait What ? so pwerfer and stuka are bad ? i cant remember a game where we as axis lost the arty duel.

The 2 Meta docs are Jäger armor and Sturm. both have the abilitys to snipe the enemy arty very well.

And with the counterbarage ur Lefhs are pretty much better than every arty the enemy has. build 2, 1 on counterbarage and one on to pick of targets.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2020, 21:28 PMGrumpy

Well, you aren't gonna get there by building lots of howitzers......just sayin......

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2020, 10:44 AMCrecer13

And This is absolutely fine, the Dive Stuka is also impossible to shoot down.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2020, 03:20 AMLoopDloop

Wait till you find out about the ostheer space bomb.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2020, 10:44 AMCrecer13

And This is absolutely fine, the Dive Stuka is also impossible to shoot down and I absolutely agree with this situation. Because for the Soviets, this is the only effective way to counter the howitzers. Other fractions have more choices for this: the Germans have the Stuka, counter-batteries fire, railroad strike, artillery strike. The United States and the British have a variety of artillery strikes and mobile artillery self-propelled guns that are more tenacious for strikes.
There is no problem.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2020, 10:28 AMDarkpiatre

And both Priest and Sexton are Meta docs and have Self-Propelled gun which are far better at counter arty than anything for the simple reason that they can move. And I don't think that you want to lose 50kg bomb+reco to something that might dodge it if the player isn't bad.

So either you don't let them reach this state or you lose.

And Pzwerfer are bad, yes.