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The ISU152 is pretty bad honestly, maybe it's the same problem with jagdtiger.
These two tanks are of use "on paper" but their performance just doesn't leave any doubt when you have to chose between the doctrines that have ISU/JT and the others.
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Elefant is still super viable in 2v2. It's still meta too.
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They never had a place in 1s and in 2s they were literal cancer, I still have nightmares from facing both, ele and jt at the same time.
Good riddance they are niche instead of go-to choice now.
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Just a reminder that when ISU152 was at it's top, we did see it in 1v1 and therefore Elephant as well to counter it.
Same with cancer commander UKF and some going JT to counter it.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Well, technically yes, but "when it was OP" literally anything and everything was meta, because, well, it was op and could win games easily. I don't think there is a single unit that didn't made that op=meta list.
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UKF AT gun emplacement, Suxton.
If you can call "units" to the Paradrop combat group which was close to 1K mp for Paras + support weapon, same with Thompson vehicle crews. Medics.
Flak emplacement and Hetzer.
Artillery field officer, 250 HT with unit inside.
Assault Guards
I'm just saying that while design wise they never had a place on 1v1, they still manage to creep on it due to sheer OPness.
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Also, since the release of the Grand Offensive commander, who is going to pick a turret-less AT vehicle over a good AT plus AI tank with a turret?
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This is simply a case of a balanced and solid unit that gets overshadowed by another one... the elefant is busted af because it's in a doctrine with spotting scopes and recon planes
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I completely agree with Aerafield here, adding that Jaeger Armor also has the Stuka Dive Bomb to kill artillery (and Riegel mines, which win me quite a lot of games personally). I think that the revamped Breakthrough is a great and fun doctrine, the new Jagdtiger is a good unit, and I had hoped that the new Breakthrough would allow OKW to pick the heavy tank destroyer and give Ostheer some more options for commander picks, but Jaeger Armor is just so damn good and versatile that it will never get dethroned from being the top meta pick. It's a case of a good unit/commander being overshadowed by an even better one.
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What I didn't mention in the OP but find very annoying about the JT is that it can't even reliably kill two Allied TDs from the front. A pair of vet 1 Jacksons always beat it even if you just let them sit AFK in front of the JT. With the SU85 it is more RNG because they don't have 300+ penetration but still often not in favour of the JT.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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That's all nice and dandy, but untrue.
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What I didn't mention in the OP but find very annoying about the JT is that it can't even reliably kill two Allied TDs from the front. A pair of vet 1 Jacksons always beat it even if you just let them sit AFK in front of the JT. With the SU85 it is more RNG because they don't have 300+ penetration but still often not in favour of the JT.
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To be fair with all parties, JT and elephant -super heavy TD design is kind of OP by itself, even now that it's been nerfed. The game itself can't offer enough space for the allied player to react to this units. Jacksons are the living evidence of this, they must be borderline OP because JT can corner all allied premium tanks and TDs and pakwalls can give enough volume of fire to deal with massed mediums.
If we consider buffing or fixing JT then allied must receive considerable indirect fire buffs
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