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unless the 221 arrive in the first minute it's impractical as the counter to the light truck.

For that matter you can simply build a halftrack and it would serve the same purpose.

the 222 is just not practical as the wehr's answer to allied light vehicle. It's too late for the trucks and too weak for the light tank.

That's ultimately the source of the armored care's problem. The people buy it to counter the allied vehicle. For a while it was actually kind of cost-effective for that purpose, but then the mg42 fix raised its price so now it's impractical again.

You build 1st 222 to counter UC, and if it lives after that you get the second to get the AEC. Which can be done quite easily with a little bait or supraise factor. So at least against brits it does serve a purpose of LV counter.

But actually, the thread is about a light vehicle to counter snipers. I think if its stats are reasonable, it could possibly be available in T1, for the counter to be early enough.

the ostwind doesn't arrive early enough to actually counter stuff like the stuart or t70. It's also not really a light tank, it have 640 hp. It's not more of a light tank than the centaur is.



currently it's 2 x 120 damage. 1 x 160 damage is less .

Ostwind is obviously a medium. But in some ways it is similar to light tanks - it is very fast, cheap and performs mostly AI duties while soft countering light tanks. It is also important to note that it is the first medium to come on the field and with good early game ostheer can rush to get it very early. It is kind of a bridge between light tank and medium tank phase of the game.

Also, ostwind actually counters t-70, but in more of a coh1 sense, when counters always come with further tech, leaving quite a big window of opportunity for every unit to shine in.

I think it is a good idea to give ostheer 221 for a smaller price than 222 and without the ability to kill vehicles. It can or not have an upgrade to 222, but even if the upgrade is going to be there, the 222 probably should still be buildable, not to hamper ostheer munitions economy too much.

I think pgrens are one of the best ballanced units in the game. Kind of a gold standard of firepower and upgrade design. I also use them often if my build doesnt go into the most common path of gren spam. They are effective vs infantry if you can micro them so that they are never shot at out of cover. They are also good vs tanks, with their primary role being protecting the flanks of paks and stugs. All flanks at once thanks to hand held weapons.

In 1v1, many matches are won by flanking or quickly rushing AT guns with lights or mediums. If often happens that faust is not enough as a fast tank can avoid lots of pak fire even with a damaged engine, if it is located close enough to the gun. That is when pgrens can do their job well in defence.

In the offence they can support your grens with valuable AT support that can retreat. Which is much better than risking losing an overextended pak.

All in all I think they are a useful unit in AT department, while in AI department they are mostly map dependant and micro intensive, which couses gren spam to outshine them. Still, I think the problem here doesn't lie in the pgren unit stats but possibly in weapons like g43.

Btw. Ostheer doesn't have a light tank but they have a cheap and pretty early ostwind that does everything any light tank does better and is only slightly more expensive than for example a t-70. In recent patch it got buffed both when it comes to cost and when it comes to penetration which made it really good.

"We felt the risk associated with flanking a Heavy Armored Vehicle was much too great because of the high rear armor. To help balance this risk vs reward we are reducing rear armor on all heavy armor across the board."
u see now all heavy tank they just forgit the isu and kv2 cause they were not in the scope
btw isu has ai ability too not just at diffrent tank diffenrt stats but thye said they wanted to reward flanking heavy tank isu is an heavy and needs his rear armor reduced
is-2 was not overpowerd and did not get buffed until last patch isu was just buffed this patch i would say it needs to be brought in line

Pretty sure they didn't forget about these tanks, they just didn't want to nerf underpowered units any more.