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Edit: And oh, not sure about the radius stat... I was just always using the Far and Near ranges because those were the ones available on coh2stats...

just because coh2stats didn't grab certain stats doesn't mean they don't exist/aren't used in game.

Well iIrc in CoH1 there was no degression, just plain sections with fixed modifiers. So that's why took that approach.

But even if your are right, just increasing the radius and NOT changing the the distance values accordingly, doesn't really improve the StuG's or 20mm's AI capabilitis at all, one way or another. Even with your approach to the calculation the damage increase would be so low, you wouldn't really notice it... just as we don't do right now.

in coh1 we didn't have degression because we had 3 values. i can't find the thread anymore, but there is one on here where kolaris posted something about coh2 being dumbed down since it only has 2 values, to which a dev responded that the system actually works completely different than in coh1 (again, 3 zones, but the medium range zone being linearly scaled between the 2 values).

just changing the radius only means that the AoE dmg zone gets increased, but not the actual values. meaning that the area with the lowest amount of damage (outer circle in my awesome paintjob) gets increased, while the other areas remain untouched. while this shouldn't have a gigantic effect, it should increase damage vs. infantry significantly, since a) more of the calculated misses might do damage, depending on where the impact is b) more squadmembers might be affected, depending on where they stand in relation to the impact.

AoE accuracy being above 1 at all times (even after considering received accuracy modifiers like cover or veterancy or retreat modifiers etc.) just means that EVERYTHING in the AoE will take the damage, which maybe should be the case for something like flame damage, but not necessarily for something like grenades (at least from a realism standpoint). disregarding realism, 100% aoe accuracy would probably make every splash weapon (basically all indirect fire weapons and all vehicle weapons apart from MGs) a lot stronger and might make units that are already perceived as too strong even stronger (i.e. mortars, arty, tanks etc.).

admittedly: i have no idea how the game actually calculates stuff, especially not AoE damage. that considered, here is my take on this:

the numbers should be correctly reflecting the patchnotes.
an aoe effect has to have a radius (not only for visuals, but also for damage calculations, if you take normal weapon damage calculations as a basis).

take this (awesomely drawn) pic as a reference:



red = near (inner circle, radius = near)
yellow = near-far (2nd circle, radius = far)
green = far (outer circle, radius = aoe_radius)

if you would only use the near/far numbers as a reference, calculating anything is this circle would be impossible, since you have no max_range indicator (which would be the radius of your AoE).

logic thusly dictates that, if the calculatins for AoE are similar to how normal weapon hits are calculated, the radius does affect those calculations too.
(if that wasn't the case, the outer circle would not exist in the game, except for "aesthetic" purposes. it would also mean that AoE calculation is significantly different from all other calculations, and that there are only 2 zones for AoE dmg/supp/acc/pen, which creates more questions regarding how that stuff is calculated)

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i started writing my own ones back in december, but cope (the beast) was done with his like 1 or 2 days after i started out. never bothered continueing after that, since his tools work perfectly.

but i need a PROVE

if you need proof, why did you take coh2stats at face value? where is the proof over there? my proof is that i take my information from the game files... if you did the same, you would know it to be true.

i'll say it one last time:
criticals exist. there is a list of all criticals in the attribarchive.sga in the attrib/critical subfolder. each entity has its own criticalgroups, which contain references to the criticals, along with paramters about likelihood, applicable weapons, max_health_percentage and so on.

thnx guys
@crawler
changed it to hits. are criticals really existing? because in weapon-stats, there is nothing baout criticals, and the damage is consistent.
@qvazar
light cover, mud and ice do not affect the damage, and green cover halfes it, so these things are still true. of course, you need other things than bulletins, but still, their effect seems quite underestimated!

of course criticals exist... criticals belong to the entity though. a grenadier squad cannot suffer a destroyed engine or destroyed main gun, while a tiger tank cannot suffer the critical "soldier_flamethrower_explode".

about cover: thats wrong(ish) too. (dmg isn't reduced, but accuracy is, which affects DPS)

every weapon has modifiers for suppresion, penetration, accuracy and damage versus every single cover type.
that means that red/open/yellow/green/etc cover do not give static modifiers, but theses modifiers are different for every weapon. for example, for the k98k, green cover means 0.1 supp, 1 pen, 0.5 acc, 0.5 dmg multipliers, while for yellow cover it's 0.5 supp, 1 pen, 0.5 acc, 1 dmg.

the cover table info is on coh2stats, but other stuff isn't (criticals, or cooldown duration multipliers fore example).