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Jump back to quoted post17 Aug 2013, 17:59 PMace4sure

I can confirm cr4wlers statement.
Here is the crit table of Conscripts/Grenadiers in JSON (might be a little more readable than XML)
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So for Cons and Grens it means:

• Health <= 100% > 50% health: 5% crit chance for flame weapons
  
• Health <= 50% > 0% health: 10% crit chance for flame and explosive weapons
  
• Health = 0%:
  75% crit chance for small arms, ballistic (kill)
  25% crit chance for small arms, ballistic, explosive (casualty)
  5% crit chance for explsovies (kill death_intensity_100)
  90% crit chance for flame weapons (burn)
  10% crit chance for small arms and ballistic (out of control)
  50% crit chance for all weapon to explode flamerthrower
  

I am also wondering where you got these "15%" from.
The thing about flame weapons in general is, they are intended to never miss and cause splash damage, which makes them pretty reliable damage platforms.

Talking about the KV-8 in special, that thing simply does an insane amount of 40 health damage (for comparison: 13 dmaage for Egineer/Pioneer flamers, 2x10 damage for the Flammenwerfer HT), which combined with the genral characteristics of flame weapons and the resilient platforms makes this unit clearly OP in my eyes. I have always said this and gonna stick with it!

One speciality about the Molotov: needless to say that the dot damage of it also does flame damage and therefore have the flame crit chance with every damage tick they do. So don't stay within the dot area!
And for all people complaining the Moltov damage is so unreliable, don't count on a crit, feel lucky if you get one, at least that's what I do.

Another importat thing i want to add, is that iIrc criticals are calculated AFTER the damage has applied. Otherwise a mortar or T34 shell (80 damage) would not be able to instantly kill off a soldier.
For the KV-8 flmaer this means with the first hit target is already at 50% health (40 damage), at 0% health with the next hit. Cause this happens within 1 second it basicly looks like the KV-8 would do crits all the time at 100% health targets.

What I am curios about is the crit chance for explosive weapons: only 30% combined chance against 0% health targets?
Also i am still guessing about the purpose of that "_no_critical" value.

Regards
ace

Jump back to quoted post17 Aug 2013, 16:24 PMNullist

Dev stated 15% somewhere.

Jump back to quoted post17 Aug 2013, 10:14 AMDoomlord52

If you feel I'm wrong about something, it would be nice to explain what exactly I'm wrong about - that way we can at least have some sort of debate, or I can at least provide some counter evidence. Just saying I'm wrong isn't really helpful.

As for 'Accuracy'; unfortunately RNG can still dramatically screw with what seems like a good chance. Let's say an AT gun has a 75% accuracy; in theory, that means it'll miss 1/4 shots (in ideal chances). That would be fair; the first shot might miss, but the next few would hit, killing the target.

However, just increasing the numbers can make the same situation horrible: 10/40. It's still the same accuracy, but just with a bigger sample size. With that larger sample comes a lot worse possibilities; the AT gun might miss 5 times in a row; by which time the tank has flanked it, killed it, or gotten away. Now, let's imagine that the game worked on a fixed statistic; if it missed 5 shots in a row, it will, without a doubt, hit the next 15. Unfortunately, the AT gun will never get a chance to fire the remaining 15; so now I've fired 5 times, and hit 0 times; 0% accuracy.

This is the problem; on paper, the statistics look fine; flamers have a 15% crit chance; which means that a flamer HT vs. a conscript squad will only crit 15% of it, or one guy (and a bit). However, as everyone has seen, that rarely happens. Either the flamer will roll up, crit half the squad instantly, or it will roll up, do next to zero damage, and then die to AT/AT nades, etc.



Unfortunately, that would only be true if every single RNG roll had the same importance; and it doesn't. A lucky roll with a flamer can mean either half your squad dies instantly; meaning a large MP drain, as well as a strong push for map control. Multiple poor RNG rolls can mean that my ANTI-TANK gun misses a T34 5 times in a row, does zero damage, and your T34 kills my AT gun, and then proceeds to kill a bunch of other stuff.

If it were tiny stuff, like single-man crit kills, it would be fine. We get into a fight, one of my grens goes down instantly, and one of your conscripts goes down slightly after that - that's fine. It's when it becomes horribly lopsided (3 of my grens go down, for zero conscripts) that RNG overtakes skill.