Profile of Serrith

Actually IS blob using "assault" are quite powerful and can attack HMG frontally.

In late game there is very easy to move thru yellow cover create by explosions.

Finally these ability can be used to A move and if the blob has enough firepower it does not have to "move" in the process.

Any blob using an assault type ability can be powerful, and when they can stop and shoot IS are very strong with it.

The prevalence of yellow cover in 1v1 late game varies from match to match, while in the larger game modes you will often see plenty of rocket arty so I can buy that in 2/3/4v 2/3/4 there will be ways of pathing to the enemy which takes you over yellow cover.

Lastly, you are right that a blob does not have to shoot and move in order to take advantage from assault, it just very greatly benefits from it.

again why ? u cant sprint and shoot , if this ability had only 25% better accuracy then this discussion would be the same, u are arguing that increase in accuracy are better IN GENRAL for okw in general because they have better troops, get that bias out please

now again IS have better dps ON THE MOVE at long range, cause they reduced the penalty on the move but they still retain better accuracy at long range even with stg volks (as they have worse dps at long range than normal kar 98), and the game has a lot of cover just passing near it give them the bonus as vipper explained, not heavy cover


what u are saying is that since volks and sturm have better dps at close range they are better but at the same time shock and cons are shit with FMR while having even better close dps

You can't sprint and shoot, but you cant sprint while in combat with VA anyway so your first point is irrelevant. I also never said nor implied that OKW troops are just "better" overall, the whole point is that they are better in combination with a specific ability. For example, the advanced cover ability synergizes better with IS then it does with almost any other infantry in the game barring perhaps guards.



5 man RIFLE IS have a slight on the move dps advantage over STG volks only at ranges exceeding 31. At ALL other ranges they are worse off.

Finally I have no idea how you interpreted what I was saying meaning that "short range=better for assault" when I have clearly stated that the ability to keep an enemy in optimal engagement range while on the move is what makes the best units for these abilities-and this tends to favor units that have better dps over a wider range, which is typically units that excel at mid and long range on the move.



As a side note, you seem very quick to denounce anyone who disagrees with you as being biased-often based on straw man reasoning. Makes it seem like you are trying to cover your own issues.

Thanks serrith for explaining what I was trying to say better than I could. I was getting frustrated and it wasn't helping me say what I meant.

NP.

U know that if it's justified by price then u can get 2 ? And the fact that the unit assault buff are even better for Brits as the longest excuse used for valiant assault Vs mother Russia was obers and lmg 34, Brits already have is with 2 bren and the doc comes with commando for all it DPS needs , close long etc

U are really grasping the straw if u are saying that one has better unit cause of marginal better DPS at mid range for Sturm that cost 50 % more over RE

What he is saying is that abilities like valiant assault provide the greatest benefit to units that have decent damage at mid and long range AND are capable of utilizing that damage while moving since they are abilities best used to push your opponent off the field or wipe retreating squads. Long and mid range dps WHILE ON THE MOVE is crucial because it allows squads to keep the enemy in optimal firing range for longer during a chase.

In his example he points out that while IS normally have good dps at long range, it is poor while on the move thus IS are a suboptimal unit to "assault" with.
Royal engineers are decent on the move, but are limited in their effectiveness by their rather poor long and mid range dps thus are suboptimal.
Commandos are good at firing on the move and once upgraded have good long range dps, although are expensive and require a side tech investment.

By contrast basically all the OKW infantry fit into a sort of optimal unit to assault with category. Sturpioneers have low dps dropoff at mid and long range compared to other SMG units(they out dps ostheer grens to a range of 22), volks with STGs are an all range generalist unit with decent(but not great dps) at all ranges, obers have that great long range dps plus they can fire their lmg on the move like commandos and FSJ really need no explaining.

The point is that while it is true brits have a unit(commandos) that synergizes well with assault, that's the only one. By contrast all of OKWs infantry synergize well with valiant assault.

I'd keep it at say 280-300 and make the 2nd one fire as long as it's garrisoned. Adjust performance and popcap accordingly. Garrison bonuses are such an under rated element to balancing emplacements. Either they are trashy like now or fully autonomous and cancer like before. There has to be a middle ground and I think the extra resources of having to garrison is that middle ground.

I like this approach. I would have it be 260-280mp though to make its "base cost" be more like a slightly expensive standard mortar with longer range.

I also have to say regarding the OPs suggestion that 175mp for a single mortar is way way way too cheap for the utility it would provide if you want to go that route.

I agree that the M10 is mostly a waste, but the other points I disagree with.

The M36 is paper thin and has zero anti infantry. Panthers, on the other hand, are durable and have a pair of MGs that are now actually a decent threat to infantry. Late okw and ost can absolutely rely on them as their only vehicle after managing to get one out. Combined arms is a better plan, but mono builds are as viable as ever.

The SU85 is paper thin and has zero anti infantry. It also lacks a turret, has terrible rotation speed, has more expensive tech requirements and lacks self repair. Not only that, but the soviets are stuck with the PTRS while USF gets the zook, the AT gun is in a non meta side tech, and the stock supporting generalist medium has the worst AT capability of all generalist mediums.
You'd think with all these factors working against Soviets, they would be quite a bit worse off.

As for combined arms, with 2 M36, you don't need more zooks, you don't need AT guns. As long as you have vetted rifles for an emergency snare if that, Jacksons are all you need for AT-and that's the issue.

Regarding ost only building panthers as their sole vehicle, it just doesn't work that way. Ost heavily relies on vehicles to do a large portion of their AI damage- which is just as well since they have a decent lineup of AI vehicles-and this is why a brumbar rush is far far far more common than a panther rush.