If this is how things would turn out then I honestly would consider not buying this game (at least not at full price) simply because I would feel scammed.
They asked the community what they want. The answer was Italy so they promised us Italy while claiming that they want to be historical accurate
If we get Russians and late-war super Heavies then it will be CoH2 all over again
Also keep in mind that so far there is no Italy faction confirmed which is (iirc) partially because "they had no good tanks" ...
I personally did not vote for Italy, as I do not want to buy the same factions for the third time. And many of my friends did not vote either. So this quote is just a handy cover for the failure of CoH2's single player campaign. Giving up on the Eastern Front is stupid. It's like giving up a huge, delicious piece of cake. The Eastern Front still has a ton of unused units and unreleased stories.
Great, since you insist so much on the Black Prince. Then give me the USSR which is equipped with T-44, IS-3, OSA-76 parachute landing self-propelled gun. AS-44 assault rifle with RD-44 for motorized rifle troops and paratroopers and SKS with RD-44 for the rest of the infantry. And also do not forget about the RPG-1 grenade launcher, which was also being developed at the same time. Why not? This will be a new level.
It very literally was. It physically existed. The only thing that needed to happen for it to be used on the front line was for somebody to put them onto a boat and move them to the front line.
Not a fantasy. Just not used in the actual war.
Ergo, perfect for a campaign where you take control of decisions about what is and isn't used where in WW2.
If you want to opt for ahistorical decisions, you can. The fact that heavy tanks were near obsolete is irrelevent if you want to play that way.
It's a freeform campaign, not a scripted one.
Sorry buddy, but the alt history ship has sailed. You can't have a freeform campaign map and not be alt history. There's no hill left to die on with that one.
Of course, Relic want to keep Historical Accuracy in mind. And that's why they need to fix the BP's model, not remove it.
But it was. It worked. They drove them around and fired rounds out of them and everything
Wasn't good. But it worked.
Where are the T-44, IS-3, OSA-76, RD-44, SKS, AS-44? They existed physically, all that remained was to take and send them. But no one in their right mind would send them to the front like the Black Prince, they were unreliable since they were prototypes.
I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with, exactly.
Were not tested SKS under 7.62x39 which has been developed since 1944 and which I assumed where the weapon for the USSR under the new M43 cartridge. And the old carbine of 1941 was tested at the end of the war. Showing the absurdity of the Black Prince's ideas.
Hell, in the SKS's case it actually WAS used in limited numbers for testing during WWII, so it would actually be more justifiable than the BP. (I'd still prefer none of these appear however.)
Not really, there was SKS before SKS. In 1941, Simonov created a new carbine chambered for 7.62x54 to replace the SVT-40. But unfortunately, the factories were not up to the production of a new rifle, and by 1944, 50 such rifles were produced. SKS-31. There they were most likely tested on the front line.
Because a lot of people simply don't want such prototypes in the game. Also it would be a huge troll-moment from lelic when they first state that they care about historical accuracy but then go on to implement a tank that was never used
Furthermore many see it as a cheap way of balancing the game (that is not even needed) or even fear that the BP will be a OP unit that will be the gateway for more heavy tanks like Tiger II and Pershing (or even more prototype tanks like Maus or T28) which many do not want because they don't fit the setting (after all relic promised us Italy and not CoH2 2.0) and also many do not wan't the so called "heavy tank" meta to return and instead would prefer having to fight with mediums and light tanks more often
The Black Prince is a direct road to the World of Tanks. Today is the Black Prince, tomorrow we will demand plywood P43 Bis, after tomorrow give us T-44, IS-3, ZSU-37, OSA-76, King Tiger with a 105-mm cannon, E series tanks.
BP should stay for multiplayer, but not used in the campaign.
The campaign should be authentic. If I am supposed to be the marshal of this theater, I should have the same tools that they had. The multiplayer was always more far fetched, there is also neither a time frame nor any context attached to a multiplayer battle, so I don't care as much if a tank appears that missed combat only just. It should be believable that this battle could have happened, nothing more.
Overall I don't get the choice of the BP though. Does it really add THAT much to gameplay? Some unicorn units like the German Sturmtiger or USF Pershing at least have a very recognizable and distinct role. So breaking the immersion can at least serve a gameplay role. Does the BP really have that? There are other options that could fill that spot.
From a game point of view, the Black Prince is also not needed in the game. That is, it is a clone of the Tiger for Britain. Then you need a Tiger Clone for Italy and only plywood P43 Bis is suitable for this role. Britain and Italy have powerful AT SPGs.
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