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Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2021, 08:07 AMmr.matrix300

I would prefer the Mobelwagen too. Something new for a change. But at least nice to hear that Wirbel was used in Italy. But I think we won't get one (also because it would look kinda strange to see a unprotected crew that is just sitting on a Pz 4 chassis survive multiple tank rounds; I would like it if unprotectet tank crews like Marder, Su 76, or Mobel could take at least a bit of damage)

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 19:40 PMnigo

American/UK units in soviet maps? NOTHING TO SEE HERE

Soviets in Bulge maps? NOTHING TO SEE HERE

Soviets + Western Allies playing together? NOTHING TO SEE HERE

JADGTIGER? NOTHING TO SEE HERE



CHURCHILL with a 17 pounder? OMG KILL RELIC NOW

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 12:57 PMVermillion_Hawk

Ah yes, I'm a socialist liberal (neither of those things) for saying that actual Nazis are attracted to World War II games. I thought this was fairly obvious but of course, if you ask around there are about as many Nazis here as the Nuremberg trials, thankfully because it has been obviously stigmatized to hell and back.

It's funny because forums like these for World War II games are the last places that I see the myths about the Wehrmacht that were debunked by actual historians still spread around. Myths that were written by the actual SS and former high-ranking Nazis looking to avoid a noose and garner additional sympathy from their occupiers. Company of Heroes 2 got in trouble for its campaign which largely (save maybe burning its own soldiers alive) depicted actual atrocities that happened at some point or another in the Red Army over the course of the war, without touching on some of the real atrocities, as you've mentioned, also lovely things like using penal squads as human minesweepers, etc.

I'd wager this game would get an equal amount of backlash if they realistically portrayed Rommel as a lucky opportunist and not 4D chess-playing Nazi Jesus as his popular portrait seems to make him out as, which was, mind you, part of that postwar propaganda which was encouraged by the British because it made them look better for beating him in North Africa when he didn't have a chance of winning it to begin with.

And I love the "Wehrmacht wasn't racist" thing, pretty much every army was fucking racist to whatever degree, it's just the British wouldn't have turned their colonial troops into soap and candles if they didn't have a crippling manpower shortage. If you missed it that was intentional hyperbole by the way.

For the record I don't really have a "side". I think, generally, the glorification of war is troubling, doubly so when it leads people, in whatever small ways, down the path of sympathy for an awful regime, whichever one. I also think the American army committed a ridiculous share of war crimes and incited a racial hatred against the Japanese that at least approached the level of Jews in Germany, but you see a lot fewer people reacting to that with denial or deflection as opposed to merely mentioning that some people harbour sympathy for the Nazis.