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Thread: Capturing and recrewing a Tiger Ace?23 Dec 2013, 11:57 AM Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2013, 16:47 PMSgtBulldog It's a general flaw in the game IMO that veterancy gives extra defense. I can understand why it may boost precision or firerate or other offensive paprameters, but giving a tank thicker armour makes no sense. In the case of the Panzer IV and StuG it actually makes sense. I always imagined the vet0, vet1 Panzer IV and StuG to be the F version (50mm armor) of the vehicles as they get penetrated by T-34/76s. The vet2 and vet3 Panzer IV and StuG are then the G version for the StuG and the H version for the Panzer IV with 80mm frontal armor and skirts. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: T-34-76 after patch16 Dec 2013, 11:49 AM Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2013, 01:18 AMtokarev What are you talking about? P III's shells were splitting in half against T34 armor. Panzer IIIs had trouble defeating T-34s, yes. But you would hardly find a huge amount of 50mm armed Panzer IIIs in the German army in 1944. They were around of course - but the majority had been converted to StuGs or the infantry support version (with the Panzer IVs initial 75mm stub gun), or simply had been destroyed by that time. Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2013, 01:18 AMtokarev And if we talk about 1944 period Red Army was widely using T34-85 Anyway, this topic is about T34 in game. Here is my opinion. It was bad before patch now it's even worse. Yes, Soviets had begun to upgrade their T-34s to the 85mm in 1944. You however were complaining that the T-34/76 was "under-performing". Thus we are talking about the T-34/76. Also by that time not every T-34 had been converted and 76mm armed versions remained in service. Actually the 85mm version wasn´t mainly introduced to fight Panthers and Tigers. The gun was still inadequate to pierce their armor frontally on combat ranges. It was rather to close the gap between the T-34 and the Panzer IV/ StuG that had the upper hand the years before. Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2013, 01:18 AMtokarev Both t34 and p4 have to be the same in price and performance so the result of tank battles would rely on players skills. No, that would be mirror balance and very boring. As for the above stated reasons the T-34/76 shouldn´t be on par with the Panzer IV. Even for a game there should be certain rules, and that is one of them. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: T-34-76 after patch15 Dec 2013, 21:02 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2013, 20:24 PMtokarev I've heard so many times on this forum that pVI could easily beat T-34. You guys are so wrong! Germans were totally shocked when T-34 was first introduced on the battlefield in June 1941. The only reason red army has lost tank battles in 1941 was extremely poor and disorganized supply chain - tanks running out of fuel and ammo, etc Prove if I'm wrong. Scroll to the bottom of: http://www.achtungpanzer.com/t34.htm Another one having seen the stupid documentary by the History channel? The T-34 was excellent when it caught the German Panzer IIIs and Panzer IVs off guard - in 1941. Mind you: The tanks they faced were a lot of Panzer IIIs that were armed with 37mm guns at the beginning, then the short 50mm, later longer 50mm. The Panzer IV at that time was infantry support and had only a 75mm/L24. You might know that tank - ingame it´s the Command Panzer IV. But still the most common tank of Germany at that time was the Panzer II, which was rather a tankette than an actual tank. This game however is set in 1944. By that time the T-34/76 was totally outclassed. Germans began to equip Panzer IVs and StuGs with the 75mm/L48 (the long barrel you see ingame) standard almost two years before. This allowed them to take out T-34s on long range. Also the front armor of those two vehicles was increased to 80mm. - Impervious to the 76mm of the T-34 beyond about 400m. The Panzer IV of 1941 was a very different tank to the Panzer IV of 1944. People seem to forget this. By 1942 the advantage of the T-34s armor was negated and mostly the numbers produced and the ease to maintain it kept it a good tank. Thus Soviets faced incredibly high tank losses in 1942/1943. Conclusion: The Panzer IV/ StuGs could take out the T-34/76 at about twice the range at the time the game is set. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: T-34-76 after patch15 Dec 2013, 11:48 AM Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2013, 22:07 PMhubewa If anything, i'd like to see a penn increase in the T-34-76 so that it can penn the Pz 4 8/10 times. Reason: I don't think a non-doctrinal medium tank that can't fight tanks at all is good at the game. Like, it's alright for the Pz 4 to outdamage the T-34-76 but for the T-34-76 to not penn the Pz 4 frontally or do no damage to it even 6/10 times just seems wrong gameplay wise and historically. I strongly disagree. The T-34/76 has been buffed already. It can reliably take on StuGs and Panzer IVs frontally atm. It won´t win, but two will do. 1) If the T-34/76 could penetrate the 80mm frontal armor of StuG and Panzer IV like 80% of the time - what would be the reason to keep the frontal armor of those vehicles at the enemy? A 20% chance of deflection, hardly worth the effort. 2) The T-34/76 costs 30 fuel less than a Panzer IV. It should be weaker. 3) Historically, Jaigen hit it on the spot. The T-34/76 was horribly outclassed by the Panzer IV H and the StuG G in 1944. Because of the upgun on almost all German tanks even before that (StuG F and Panzer IV F2) the Russians lost so many tanks in 1942/1943. Thus the T-34/85 was intoduced. The real T-34/76 was infact weaker than the thing we have ingame that penetrates the front of StuGs/ Panzer IV every now and then. 4) I agree however that Russians still lack a decent generalist tank. Hence I would still be glad if the T-34/85 was non doctrinal. -.- In: COH2 Balance
Thread: This was the ''Official Red Army Decree''... Chilling..1 Dec 2013, 16:01 PM No need to apologize, but thank you. No hard feelings involved. In: Red Army Strategies
Thread: grenadiers in halftrack1 Dec 2013, 16:00 PM Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2013, 15:43 PMundostrescuatro http://46-29-142-239.boly.hu/simika/squad.php?filename=mechanized_250_halftrack_mp does no one uses the grenadier half-track from the new commanders? their grenadiers have the panzerfaust ability bugged and why do they cost 40 fuel when they are an unarmed scout car. i think 20 should be ok. but is there a particular reason for that? I think the 40 fuel is justified to prevent spamming of Panzerschrecks in them. Also pioneers with flamers can be an annoyance. They could in theory come earlier than the 251 flame ht. Personally I´ve never ever called them in though as other doctrines are way more attractive. Two slots are usually blocked with the Tiger and an Elefant doc. Sometimes I use the Mortar HT, Osttruppen, 105mm doctrine but that´s it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: This was the ''Official Red Army Decree''... Chilling..30 Nov 2013, 12:43 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Oct 2013, 15:23 PMGenMe I don't give a crap about the Germans in WW2, they collectively wanted it so they collectively got it. Russia didn't ask to be invaded and the Germans could have surrendered anytime. Nazis won the March 1933 elections, they didn't seize power in Germany. So much hate. Calling every German an evil person for what happened is bullocks. Was every Russian soldier a true communist? Did every Englishman want the morale bombing? If you think in those categories, you will only spread hate. You might not believe it, but there actually were Germans who got conscripted into the war. From wikipedia: "1935 conscription was reintroduced in the German Reich: Since then conscientious objectors were threatened with heavy prison sentences - usually detention in a concentration camp - and holding their refusal would result in the death penalty." A sad thing that after almost 70 years, there seems to be so much hate towards each other. Don´t get me wrong: We shouldn´t forget what happened but seeing the content and attitude of some posts is just beyond me. In: Red Army Strategies
Thread: The post 'Turning Point' T-34/8529 Nov 2013, 16:51 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2013, 11:56 AMGenMe To Blackart, Yeah its truly frustrating how relic make no attempt to represent these tanks in any realistic way, T34-76 should be on par with PzKpfw IV with KwK40 and its price should reflect that, Its to weak and to cheap. At normal combat ranges the T34 had the Armour advantage and the PIV had the gun, both could penetrate each others Armour. Actually Panzer IV G, H and J were superior to the T-34/76 and comparable to the T-34/85. The 80mm front hull armor of the Panzer IV could only be penetrated at 400m by the 76mm. The T-34 could be penetrated by the 75mm/L48 at ranges up to 1100m. More than a slight advantage. T-34/85 and Panzer IV could knock each other out with one shot. As for the game: T-34/85 are fine now, although I don´t think they are worth blocking a doctrinal slot. The thing was the representative tank of the Soviet army in 1944/45 and should be non-doctrinal. In: Red Army Strategies
Thread: MG 42 The Most Useless Unit In The Game28 Nov 2013, 15:56 PM Also I think that some of the nerfs should be reverted. Some nerfs were justified. But you have to keep in mind that from the OP state the MG42 received so many nerfs combined, that it became almost useless. Things that really hit the MG42 hard: - Suppression reduction - Taking away the 10% more suppression bulletin (it is shown in the menu with a star - so it has become a veterancy gained bulletin) - 25% more damage received for weapon crews Two of those nerfs would have been sufficient. Not all three at once. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG 42 The Most Useless Unit In The Game28 Nov 2013, 14:53 PM I) The current MG42 is a liability. a) It doesn´t work without support. So I need 480mp (Gren for support) to lock down one area. Meanwhile the Soviet player has used his manpower to actually cap the other 2/3rd of the map. b) If used alone it WILL HAVE TO retreat being attacked by one Conscript squad. Either by being flanked, or by the Russians running up to it with Uraa and throwing a Molotov. The MG42 is no longer a hard counter to infantry. II) Now the Maxim a) It actually suppresses infantry and can fight on it´s own. If flanked you can even try to reposition super fast. b) It has 6 men and you can actually avoid a squad wipe with the rifle grenade (which almost never happens), if you see your men are standing close together and forming one big pile. III) Dshka Yet another and even better MG for the Russians. It mows down everything and this does make the MG42 look even more pitiful. Yet it shows us that a MG for 360mp can still be useful. I would love to see the old MG42 back - for 360mp though. In: COH2 Balance