@MJ, while the folks here are a bit melodramatic about balance issues... they at least play both sides mostly.
I suspect the smaller damage and negligibly increased set-up time on the maxims won't change the fact that it's a very-low-skill start that's extremely hard to punish and very boring to play against.
The real benefits are the survivability and flip time, which is still incredible. Anyway, be interesting to see whether the maxim nerf is actually the kind of nerf that makes people use them in a more interesting way or just reducing their general effectiveness while still having them be way too good as an opening unit.
@Funkeh/Weehamish - while I'm concerned about the fourth man on the MG-42... on the Pak and the Mortar that would both get decrewed at one man, I think it's a really good choice.
@Weehamish - yeah, bailing is going to be a thing but at least that's a little skill-based. I like it more because it makes any true-sight ambush thing a real threat and also makes that guards car a riskier counter for the 222.
You guys talk about mg spam, but the germans can pump out mgs way faster then the russians can, as russians have to build an extra building before the ability to make maxims. The mg42 also has a lot better suppression giving it greater lock down ability, coupled with mg bunkers which russians dont have.
Am i the only one laughing a little inside when germans have all that crap and are bitching at russians for maxim spams? |
Hmmmm... sounds not too bad, although 4-men mg42s feel rather unusual. I am more curious for the changes to the tanks.
@mjsegaline: Your very subjective post seemed to lack any proper knowledge of high level 1v1 balance. I hope you don't mind if i ignore any of your future posts concerning balancing.
Care to play me so I can show you some high level 1v1? Everything I said was 100 percent accurate |
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You guys really just won't be happy until every decent soviet unit has been made useless. The maxim never needed a nerf for the following reasons:
The maxim has terrible suppression
The maxim has a terrible cone of fire
The mg42 has instant suppression
The mg42 has a huge cone of fire
The mg42 can be made right off the bat and can completely lock down resources in combination with mg bunkers, within the first 2 mins of the game.
Now after the patch, due to ridiculous amounts of complaining because germans were not slaughtering everything with no effort like is expected by the german playerbase, the maxim has had a major reduction in dps, and its one actual plus, the ability to pack and unpack, was nerfed.
So it is now basically a poor mans mg42 with no real benefit. In conjunction with the fact that soviet mortars were also made inferior to the german mortar, effectivly making us have no viable counter to german mg and mg bunker resource lockdown/spam early game.
Whats next on the chopping block? The Su-85 like so many people are complaining about? Yes, why not remove our only tank killing unit? Might as well, its only natural seeing as the apparent goal here is to decapitate the russian faction. |
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You guys really just won't be happy until every decent soviet unit has been made useless. The maxim never needed a nerf for the following reasons:
The maxim has terrible suppression
The maxim has a terrible cone of fire
The mg42 has instant suppression
The mg42 has a huge cone of fire
The mg42 can be made right off the bat and can completely lock down resources in combination with mg bunkers, within the first 2 mins of the game.
Now after the patch, due to ridiculous amounts of complaining because germans were not slaughtering everything with no effort like is expected by the german playerbase, the maxim has had a major reduction in dps, and its one actual plus, the ability to pack and unpack, was nerfed.
So it is now basically a poor mans mg42 with no real benefit. In conjunction with the fact that soviet mortars were also made inferior to the german mortar, effectivly making us have no viable counter to german mg and mg bunker resource lockdown/spam early game.
Whats next on the chopping block? The Su-85 like so many people are complaining about? Yes, why not remove our only tank killing unit? Might as well, its only natural seeing as the apparent goal here is to decapitate the russian faction. |
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You guys really just won't be happy until every decent soviet unit has been made useless. The maxim never needed a nerf for the following reasons:
The maxim has terrible suppression
The maxim has a terrible cone of fire
The mg42 has instant suppression
The mg42 has a huge cone of fire
The mg42 can be made right off the bat and can completely lock down resources in combination with mg bunkers, within the first 2 mins of the game.
Now after the patch, due to ridiculous amounts of complaining because germans were not slaughtering everything with no effort like is expected by the german playerbase, the maxim has had a major reduction in dps, and its one actual plus, the ability to pack and unpack, was nerfed.
So it is now basically a poor mans mg42 with no real benefit. In conjunction with the fact that soviet mortars were also made inferior to the german mortar, effectivly making us have no viable counter to german mg and mg bunker resource lockdown/spam early game.
Whats next on the chopping block? The Su-85 like so many people are complaining about? Yes, why not remove our only tank killing unit? Might as well, its only natural seeing as the apparent goal here is to decapitate the russian faction. |
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Maxim has terrible suppression, you can basically run right up to a maxim before getting suppressed. It also has a terrible cone of fire, anyone bitching about the maxim is terrible at this game. Countering one is easy as dirt.
But congrats your whines worked, it has been made useless in the next patch taking its damage down to nothing and increasing the already OP Mg42 by adding a 4th squad member. What is the maxim now? A poor mans mg42 with half its stats and no real benefits. Just like the German players wanted. Oh and lets not forget that the german mortar got an increase in speed to 2.4 secs, while the soviet mortar got nerfed into oblivion by slowing it to 3.4 secs. The thing cant hit shit as it is already.
Grats on breaking the game, no clue why every COH the players insist on germans being better at EVERTHING or they cry like little girls |
Do you know how expensive is flamer HT and Ostwind?
And do you know how cheap is a T70?
Off the top of my head no, I assume the t70 is comparable to the ostwind in price, if not I would be down for upping the price a bit, but a nerf to its capabilities? No way, then we would have nothing like the germans have to deal with infantry in an OP way |
95 fuel to ram a 165 fuel tank. Yes, they crush them. This is what I'm talking about... it's like you don't even play the game.
Ram is a last resort. Nobody wants to send a 240 manpower 95 fuel unit flying into anything if they dont have to. Unfortunatly, its not much good for anything else. Kills infantry pretty decent, big deal, my t70 does a way better job at that for a lot cheaper and can avoid the big guys |
That shit cannot be countered by anything below T2, P4 is the only option but while you can field out a P4, T70s and their zerglings cons has taken the whole map
and why the fuck a cheap small tank can one shot and crush a whole squad?
If the t70 gets a nerf then so should the ostwind and flamenwurfer because they are just as powerful and do the exact same thing. End of convo.
Oh and can we have anti tank infantry please? I would love some shreks.... |
A lot of people keep discussing PIV's and T34's. They are slightly related to the discussion, because a lot of people are still under the belief that the T34 has to be a tank(a form of AT). I agree its misleading in your first few plays, but dammit, once you realize its not you gotta let it go: soviets have wonderful AT now, and the SU-85 is proof of that.
The Dave replied to me in wise words: The panther is shit now. It has good stats, but the range got nerfed, the cost got increased, etc. Spamming PIV's has a much better impact.
Why do I mention this in a Soviet AT thread? Here's why: People keep dissing PIV's as too powerful. Two T34's, properly used, should always win against a PIV. In the event RNG or that particular scenario didn't bode well, there's ram. You-should-not-lose.
Here's a Sun Tzu style tip: If you think you are not winning an engagement versus a PIV, then avoid it altogether if possible. Once that PIV gets Vet 2, its armor becomes VERY good, and you are going to have yourself a tough nut to crack. Then it doesn't matter how many T34's you use to ram, that PIV will wreak havoc. So avoid it, and use SU-85's to negate pretty much all default German tanks.
PRESTO!
Now, whats your idea for strafing run? That SOB is ridiculously insane vdjvbidsbgjbvd uber death. |
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